Re-thinking home carry...
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Regolith
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Get a 12 guage with an extended magazine, like the Remington 870 Police model. That'll put seven or so rounds at your disposal.
MrTwigg
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"Home Carry" isn't...
about running to grab the 12gage or trying to carry a 33 round magazine.
Nearby ain't close enough.
My wife & I moved out of a really bad neighborhood shortly after our son was born and into a house in a nice quiet place away from locations with bad reputations. Three days and a quarter mile down the road later, there was a "push-in" home invasion and thankfully the woman who was home by herself managed to escape by jumping out a window.
Crap happens.
Ain't no time to run for the shotty with a goblin in the house and nobody's gonna "carry" a Glock with a 33 rounder.
Carry like you would on the street.
Carry like your life depends on it, because it does.
Carry your carry piece with spare mag / speed loader / speed strip.
about running to grab the 12gage or trying to carry a 33 round magazine.
Nearby ain't close enough.
My wife & I moved out of a really bad neighborhood shortly after our son was born and into a house in a nice quiet place away from locations with bad reputations. Three days and a quarter mile down the road later, there was a "push-in" home invasion and thankfully the woman who was home by herself managed to escape by jumping out a window.
Crap happens.
Ain't no time to run for the shotty with a goblin in the house and nobody's gonna "carry" a Glock with a 33 rounder.
Carry like you would on the street.
Carry like your life depends on it, because it does.
Carry your carry piece with spare mag / speed loader / speed strip.
BullfrogKen
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Yep, somethin' like that . . .
Nope, its not. If its not in your hand, or on your person, when the fight happens, you'll never get to it.
Lock the doors and windows. Those measures will give you the time you need to evaluate what's going on, and form your response. Sadly, that simple act is the most often neglected.
hexidismal
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In addition to the good points already made here.. I would bet that more often than not in the event of a home invasion by six men where an armed resident both has a 5 shot revolver and knows how to properly use it, you're likely to have 2 or three shots fired, one body, and 5 runners.
748
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I like to keep my fiveseven on me at home, it holds 20 rounds. If thats not enough I have the 44mag super redhawk Loaded up in the closet (we never have kids around). If I need supressive fire I have my "urbanized" 10/22 with gun+mag clost together.
I hope a 5 to 15 round burst from the five seven makes runners out of the ones that still can run.
I hope a 5 to 15 round burst from the five seven makes runners out of the ones that still can run.
If you own your own home there is no excuse to not harden all entry points to the degree where even with heavy tools and alot of muscle it will take at least several minutes and probably create alot of noise for anyone to force their way into your home. If you live in an apartment or rent a home etc things are more difficult, and it is a good idea to wear a handgun at home, and have a long gun handy.
While the risk of a home invasion may seem comparatively low to some other crimes, the consequences are potentially extremely high. Many suffer, have heard of, or read about such consequences. I do not intend to be among those who have described after the fact how they watched this or that done to so and so .. helplessly .. and have to live with that for the rest of their lives.
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While the risk of a home invasion may seem comparatively low to some other crimes, the consequences are potentially extremely high. Many suffer, have heard of, or read about such consequences. I do not intend to be among those who have described after the fact how they watched this or that done to so and so .. helplessly .. and have to live with that for the rest of their lives.
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748
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"no excuse to not harden all entry points"
That is true, last time some one tried to break in my house they tried to kick in the back door to my house.
I carved a recess into the new door frame (they broke the old one) and made room to drop in a 2 screw striker and a 4 screw striker over top of that one.
The screws I used were 4'' stainless steel deck screws (6 of them).
On the door I got a door and catch reinforcer, its just a 16ga peice of sheet metal that takes a few screws and conforms to the door around were the catch is.
If any of the hood rats saw me working on that door I think they would find a nother way in. 1 guy was watching me for about 30sec when I had the grinder going if he stayed there I would have gotten my welder and put on a real show.
Of course after I did all that that door didn't want to shut, so I was out there with a hand grinder buffing down the heads of 2 of those deck screws.
I also screwed most of the windows shut with dry wall screws, not the best Idea but I found some steel pins to replace the screws with. In case you need to get out through the window. Those little window latches on the older windows could be broken by any 12 year old with a lever.
That is true, last time some one tried to break in my house they tried to kick in the back door to my house.
I carved a recess into the new door frame (they broke the old one) and made room to drop in a 2 screw striker and a 4 screw striker over top of that one.
The screws I used were 4'' stainless steel deck screws (6 of them).
On the door I got a door and catch reinforcer, its just a 16ga peice of sheet metal that takes a few screws and conforms to the door around were the catch is.
If any of the hood rats saw me working on that door I think they would find a nother way in. 1 guy was watching me for about 30sec when I had the grinder going if he stayed there I would have gotten my welder and put on a real show.
Of course after I did all that that door didn't want to shut, so I was out there with a hand grinder buffing down the heads of 2 of those deck screws.
I also screwed most of the windows shut with dry wall screws, not the best Idea but I found some steel pins to replace the screws with. In case you need to get out through the window. Those little window latches on the older windows could be broken by any 12 year old with a lever.
Sonora Rebel
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Home alone...???
Makarov 9x18mm w/hollowpoints. Small enuff to fit in yer hip pocket. Just a tad larger than a Walther PPK 'n a helluva lot cheaper,
Makarov 9x18mm w/hollowpoints. Small enuff to fit in yer hip pocket. Just a tad larger than a Walther PPK 'n a helluva lot cheaper,
alligator94
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I wonder how many people carry at home? I don't normally, however if there is an unexpected knock at night or something else that is out of the ordinary I will grab one. But I feel that I should not have to carry at home. That is why I invested in good doors and alarms
Im283
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I read these types of threads and I feel blessed that I do not have to worry about thugs in the street or punks staring at my home. I know it can happen anywhere but I feel confident that it will not happen here.
My house is fairly secure, deadbolts on doors good locks on double pane windows, ADT and a dog.
My prime defense I believe is where we chose and made effort to live. Not near a big city and 30 minutes outside of a small city. I really do not know how anyone lives in a large city or in a hood. God Bless you if you can deal with it. I could not.
My house is fairly secure, deadbolts on doors good locks on double pane windows, ADT and a dog.
My prime defense I believe is where we chose and made effort to live. Not near a big city and 30 minutes outside of a small city. I really do not know how anyone lives in a large city or in a hood. God Bless you if you can deal with it. I could not.
MrTwigg
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Im283 said:
Don't take this the wrong way but this is known as the "Head-In-The-Sand" defense.
I thought it wouldn't happen where I moved my family to, yet it did, just three doors (About 1/3 mile) down the road. Nice neighborhood, nice neighbors, the folks who had the push-in robbery / invasion were not into drugs (friends of my wife.), they don't gamble, and didn't know the people who robbed them.
Pure random occurance.
Deadblots in an unrienforced doorframe can be kicked in, double pane windows are energeng efficent, not burgular resistant.
Dogs can handled easily, at best it's an early warning system (I don't care how many pics of big bad doggies get posted with the caption "You ain't gettin past this!" ) Fact is dogs are not a viable defense.
Alarms can be defeated or at best the alarm company will call 911 for you and the police will come out and make nice chalk outlines of all your bodies.
Are you even aware the police have no duty to protect you ?
How long is it going to take before they arrive ? 8 minutes ? Five minutes ? Even if they are there in two minutes or less a whole lotta crap can happen.
But hey, it's your family and your choice.
With home invasions on the rise & the BG's value on human life dimenishing, I have a gun within reach almost all of the time. I do live in a nice neighborhood, with ADT etc, etc but like has been posted, I don't want to ever be forced to watch helpless as my love ones are abused or killed.
The odds are in my favor that I'll never need it, but I'd rather be foolish & safe.
The odds are in my favor that I'll never need it, but I'd rather be foolish & safe.
I ALWAYS have my AR15 with me at home. I even use my one point tactical sling so I can take it in the shower... although sometimes.... But you have to be tough and be prepared for anything, even if it hurts sometimes when you move the wrong way in the shower.
6 badguys? No problemo.
6 badguys? No problemo.
WeedWhacker
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Sarcasm isn't helpful, especially when one is ignorant of the time slice involved in kick-in invasions.
I'm a peaceable person, not a criminal, and yet I know first-hand that if I (or any other reasonably sturdy person) wants in your front door to stand in your living room, you will have about two seconds' worth of warning between the time the invader's(s') boot hits the door and when those same boots hit living room carpet.
Hardening your entryways is one of the numerous very smart steps to take - it may buy you a precious few extra seconds.
AStone
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I'll just add to what others have insinuated.
The 5-rnd snub is only the first layer.
As has been said many times here on THR,
the handgun at home is merely a tool
to facilitate getting to the long guns.
An 870P stoked with 00 is less than 30' away.
Multiples will make enough noise to ensure that
I'll be on the way to the 870P before they get inside.
(Just gotta trust me on that one ... details only provided to friends.)
Coming soon: .357 Mag carbine.
I, too, am rethinking home carry ...
The 5-rnd snub is only the first layer.
As has been said many times here on THR,
the handgun at home is merely a tool
to facilitate getting to the long guns.
An 870P stoked with 00 is less than 30' away.
Multiples will make enough noise to ensure that
I'll be on the way to the 870P before they get inside.
(Just gotta trust me on that one ... details only provided to friends.)
Coming soon: .357 Mag carbine.
I, too, am rethinking home carry ...
LightningJoe
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If your snub-nose won't do it inside your house, you're probably up against more than one man could handle with an M-60.
Don't focus on preparing for Godzilla. Given what I perceive to be the psychology of a home invasion, once a shot is fired, the invaders exit.
Don't focus on preparing for Godzilla. Given what I perceive to be the psychology of a home invasion, once a shot is fired, the invaders exit.
thom1960
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+1 for the Dog. My German Shepherd does not take kindly to strangers in HIS house. Can't think of a better alarm system/bad guy deterrent. He'd give me plenty of time to get to my guns. Always have my carry gun within reach and several others loaded upstairs, including my 870 defense gun with 8 rnds 00 buck.
Aid:
At home no one's likely to come to your aid for a long time unless you're able to make a phone call. Yelling won't help, gunshots probably won't bring aid unless there are a LOT of gunshots. Fireworks, backfires, etc. are all easy explanations of loud noises and houses make good silencers. Most houses have phones that can be relatively easily disabled from the exterior of the house.
In public there's a good chance someone will see and call for help--or maybe even help you themselves. Gunshots in a public place will almost certainly bring aid.
Retreat:
At home, retreat is probably not an option due to family being present. You can't just run out the back door leaving your family to fend for themselves.
In public, retreat is almost always possible and is almost always a good option.
Hostage:
The outcome of being taken prisoner in your own home with your family can be pretty unpleasant as demonstrated by a recent headline.
In public it's unlikely you'll be taken hostage, and even if you are, it's not likely that you'll be taken prisoner in a private place with your entire family. To some extent this limits the possibilities.
Carry issues:
Carry is simple at home. There's no requirement to conceal, there are virtually no legal restrictions. Carrying a full-sized gun unconcealed in a good holster is not hard to do, it's comfortable and practical.
To me it makes sense to be MORE prepared at home than in public. You've got more to lose at home, less chance of rescue, better chance of something VERY unpleasant happening if you lose, and it's easier to carry.
At home no one's likely to come to your aid for a long time unless you're able to make a phone call. Yelling won't help, gunshots probably won't bring aid unless there are a LOT of gunshots. Fireworks, backfires, etc. are all easy explanations of loud noises and houses make good silencers. Most houses have phones that can be relatively easily disabled from the exterior of the house.
In public there's a good chance someone will see and call for help--or maybe even help you themselves. Gunshots in a public place will almost certainly bring aid.
Retreat:
At home, retreat is probably not an option due to family being present. You can't just run out the back door leaving your family to fend for themselves.
In public, retreat is almost always possible and is almost always a good option.
Hostage:
The outcome of being taken prisoner in your own home with your family can be pretty unpleasant as demonstrated by a recent headline.
In public it's unlikely you'll be taken hostage, and even if you are, it's not likely that you'll be taken prisoner in a private place with your entire family. To some extent this limits the possibilities.
Carry issues:
Carry is simple at home. There's no requirement to conceal, there are virtually no legal restrictions. Carrying a full-sized gun unconcealed in a good holster is not hard to do, it's comfortable and practical.
To me it makes sense to be MORE prepared at home than in public. You've got more to lose at home, less chance of rescue, better chance of something VERY unpleasant happening if you lose, and it's easier to carry.
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savetheclaypigeons
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This scene popped into my head as soon as I started reading the threads and responses
I have a pistol within arms reach in all of the areas in my house that I spend any time. (and yes one is a Glock17 with TLR2 and 33 round mag)
however the 5 shot snubby that I cary most frequently around the house is really just a means of getting to the AR in the closet with the beta mag, or the remmy 870 riot gun behind the drapes, or the ithica 37 cruiser in the coat closet or any of the other toys stashed out of sight and out of mind around my little one bedroom appartment
only one way in or out of my place, so runnin away isn't exactly an option.
however the 5 shot snubby that I cary most frequently around the house is really just a means of getting to the AR in the closet with the beta mag, or the remmy 870 riot gun behind the drapes, or the ithica 37 cruiser in the coat closet or any of the other toys stashed out of sight and out of mind around my little one bedroom appartment
only one way in or out of my place, so runnin away isn't exactly an option.
dmftoy1
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I wonder the same thing. I could easily slip a j-frame into my pocket but the thing that scares the heck out of me is that I KNOW I'd end up jumping in the truck to go to the local home improvement store and forget it was there ... that's a felony in this state. The reason I KNOW it would happen is that I got so used to carrying my leatherman that one day I forgot I had it in my pocket and ALMOST tried to go through airport security with it. Thank god for a friendly BA flight attendant who mailed it back to my house for me so I could catch my flight.
Have a good one,
Dave
Double Naught Spy
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Yes, but reality doesn't care that much about the odds.
...but why should it come "pistol-whupping"? Carrying a little bigger gun with a higher capacity isn't exactly a lifestyle change.
Sort of ironic, but many people carry small or lower capacity guns at home so that they can be more comfortable, the caveat being that they feel safe at home. The ironic part is that it is at home where folks have the ability to carry large without the need or worry of concealed carry restraints. It is also a bit ironic that folks carry often small or low capacity at home and it is there where the stakes are the absolute highest. There is much more to lose at home as that tends to be where the greatest number of valuables are and where the greatest concentration of immediate family is located.
This is really something of a US kind of policy. The US carries big everywhere around the world but at home and at home, at least until 9/11, we didn't carry big at home even though it was where all our valuables and loved ones were located. It took 45 minutes to get fighters to the World Trade Center area, for example.
Due to the way I dress and my lifestyle,I can't carry my G23 all the time, but I *can* carry a 5 round 45LC revolver on my left ankle at all times and it is a *helluva pistol-whupper*.
If I can't get the job done with that in my own house...what the hell - gotta die of somethin'.
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If I can't get the job done with that in my own house...what the hell - gotta die of somethin'.
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