Most compact 12 gauage?

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I'm interested in something for bear defense for camping

I would like find something as close to legal limits to be as compact as legally possible. 26 overall, 18 barrel.

BTW I'm in CA so " shockwave " style "firearms" at not legal here neither is sbs. That used to bother me until I realized even the shockwave guns still have to be least 26" too

I'm thinking my best bet might be to just buy a coach gun, measure 26.5 from the muzzle and chop the stock.


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The most compact will be a short barreled shotgun, requiring federal paperwork and tax stamp. Next, one of those short barreled non-stocked 12 ga 'firearms' that may or may not be legal in states you are traveling to. Most practical would be a pump, such as a Mossberg 500 series, Rem 870, etc. with a youth stock and 18" barrel.
 
Mossberg 500 Persuader with an full length tube. Good luck finding one, brother. I've had mine for just over 30 years and wouldn't trade it for the world. It's my trusted trunk monkey. Bought it with one of those silly pistol grips and promptly threw that in the trash. Bought a proper stock and its never failed since. Not one failure after thousands of rounds. 18-1/2" barrel and 39-1/2"OAL. If you must put a pistol grip on it to get your length, then I guess you must. I personally hate those things and would only have it if absolutely necessary. As easy stated earlier - slugs. If you have stones enough, you could bring down literally and animal on the face of the earth...just. If you can keep from getting ripped to shreds, it'll sure as heck manage a grizzly bear. Heck - maybe even in CA it's legal...

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A handgun is a lot easier to use inside a tent or camper, and it is far more likely to be within arms reach than the long gun you left in the truck. This is by my sleeping bag when sleeping in bear country. A Glock 29 loaded with G20 15 round magazines and 200 gr Double Tap ammo. You'd probably be restricted to 10 round magazines in CA, but that is fine too. To be honest if you already own a 45, 40, 357 mag or even a 9mm pistol the hotter hardcast loads in all of those cartridges have proven to be effective.

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When not sleeping it is usually in one of these. No one knows I'm carrying a gun, yet it is easily accessible.

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Of course if you want a long gun, shotgun or rifle, it wouldn't hurt to have one in addition to a handgun. But if you also have a handgun you don't have to worry so much about keeping the long gun so short. And I'd just as soon have a short barreled lever action in 30-30 or 44 mag as a shotgun with slugs. You may already have guns perfectly suited and not need to buy anything else. Just make good ammo choices.
 
The risk the black bears present in California and throughout the Sierra Nevada and Cascade ranges is pretty minimal:

The last fatal bear attack in California was in 2008, but it was a captive bear used in movies that killed a handler.

Before that, an animal trainer was killed by a Himalayan Brown Bear at the San Diego Zoo in 1942.

Those were the only two fatal attacks in California in the last 150 years. Prior to that William Waddell was killed in 1875. He was deer hunting. He was only just bit by a Griz that left him and took off after after his dog (it was the dog that had provoked the bear in the first place). Waddell had his arm amputated by a doctor but died six days later from the infection of the wound, which would have been easily cured with antibiotics developed since. I lived for a little while just down the road from the grave of his amputated limb which was buried near where he was attacked. The rest of his body was buried at the cemetery in Santa Cruz. All the Griz were wiped out of that state by the 1920's.

I've encountered bears in the Sierra frequently, and I never felt threatened.

I'm not suggesting that a person be defenseless, but that these bears are not the threat that you want to arm yourself against. You have a great deal more risk from other humans. Last year there was nearly 5 homicides per day -- more than bears have killed in California for 170 years. Your risk from other violent crimes is just staggering compared to any kind of bear attack.

Besides that, the Black Bears are not much bigger than people. Most of them are around 200 to 300 pounds. Occasionally an especially big one will top out at 600 pounds. They don't require munitions unique from those used for defense against human attackers they way that brown bear do. Small brown bear males weigh 800 pounds and big ones can weigh 1700 pounds. Those are the bears where ammunition designed to penetrate and expand in humans may not penetrate sufficiently, but they don't have them in California for 100 years now.
 
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Bear "attacks" do happen in California though. This one happened back in June: https://abc7.com/bear-attack-bears-sierra-madre-san-gabriel-mountains/6253202/

According to the story, the bear scratched the woman while she was asleep in her backyard, and she woke up, smacked it with a laptop and ran inside. I guess the moral of the story is not use that shampoo that smells like Huckleberry Pie, and you don't need a 12 gauge, you just need a handle for your laptop to improve the smack-action.
 
I think DocRock probably got the best answer for your question. If you find a Mossberg 500, Mossbrg 590 or Maverick 88, use an 18” barrel and a youth stock, you will be at ~31” OAL. You moight have to switch either the barrel or the stock on the one you find though. I’d guess it would be easier to find a youth stock than an 18” barrel right now.

I don’t know that you will easily get much shorter than that.
 
Something like a Moss 500/590 or Rem 870 in "riot" configuration would probably be your best bet. Or even one of those H&R 870 clones that wally world sells for about $140. All of these are 3" magnum capable. I would not recommend a pistol grip. They are difficult at best to employ efficiently, unless you are doing something like contact shooting a lock assembly in a door with a breaching round. I consider police officers to be the authority on the use of a shotgun, and I have never seen a police gun sporting a pistol grip. They all have some sort of shoulder stock.
 
I'm thinking my best bet might be to just buy a coach gun, measure 26.5 from the muzzle and chop the stock.
If you have a SxS and a pump that have the same overall length. The SxS will a longer barrel by 1”-2” due to the shorter receiver of the SxS.

If I were getting a shotgun for bear defense I would lean to a SxS or O/U but there would be one caveat. A shotgun of that nature must be ultra reliable. You can get a high end pump for the same money and less than the least expensive SxS. I would be much more confident in the reliability of a pump in that situation.
 
If you have a SxS and a pump that have the same overall length. The SxS will a longer barrel by 1”-2” due to the shorter receiver of the SxS.

If I were getting a shotgun for bear defense I would lean to a SxS or O/U but there would be one caveat. A shotgun of that nature must be ultra reliable. You can get a high end pump for the same money and less than the least expensive SxS. I would be much more confident in the reliability of a pump in that situation.

Any gun for self defense regardless of OV, revolver, SXS or pistol should be Ultra Reliable. My self defense guns get a rigorous workout before getting the Job. And I never go by what the internet posters have to say. I do my own testing.
 
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Mossberg 500 Persuader with an full length tube. Good luck finding one, brother. I've had mine for just over 30 years and wouldn't trade it for the world. It's my trusted trunk monkey. Bought it with one of those silly pistol grips and promptly threw that in the trash. Bought a proper stock and its never failed since. Not one failure after thousands of rounds. 18-1/2" barrel and 39-1/2"OAL. If you must put a pistol grip on it to get your length, then I guess you must. I personally hate those things and would only have it if absolutely necessary. As easy stated earlier - slugs. If you have stones enough, you could bring down literally and animal on the face of the earth...just. If you can keep from getting ripped to shreds, it'll sure as heck manage a grizzly bear. Heck - maybe even in CA it's legal...

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Nice! But you might want to measure that barrel. Looks like the 20" version. Most full length tube models are.
 
No way I'd want a single shot when a bear is running at me they're hard to hit even when they look the size of a VW, pump or semi-auto shotgun or a pump, semi-auto or lever action rifle.
 
Mossberg 500 Persuader with an full length tube. Good luck finding one, brother. I've had mine for just over 30 years and wouldn't trade it for the world. It's my trusted trunk monkey. Bought it with one of those silly pistol grips and promptly threw that in the trash. Bought a proper stock and its never failed since. Not one failure after thousands of rounds. 18-1/2" barrel and 39-1/2"OAL. If you must put a pistol grip on it to get your length, then I guess you must. I personally hate those things and would only have it if absolutely necessary. As easy stated earlier - slugs. If you have stones enough, you could bring down literally and animal on the face of the earth...just. If you can keep from getting ripped to shreds, it'll sure as heck manage a grizzly bear. Heck - maybe even in CA it's legal...

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As I mentioned, I have a Mossberg 500 with a silly pistol grip, standard stock and tactical. stock. Now mine is a 20ga. so will not speak for the 12ga with silly pistol grip. But I will say this. I like the pistol grip and hardly silly. Easy to shoot and score well on targets. Easy to grip, feel like a large pistol where you can brace with your whole hand and a long barrel. Your say you quickly threw it in the trash? Surely you at least tried it out? I had a lot of range time with all the grips for this 20ga. Many times I come home and just cannot make up my mind which one I prefer. But they all have their place. Maybe that is why they call it the Flex.
 
I'm interested in something for bear defense for camping

I would like find something as close to legal limits to be as compact as legally possible. 26 overall, 18 barrel.

BTW I'm in CA so " shockwave " style "firearms" at not legal here neither is sbs. That used to bother me until I realized even the shockwave guns still have to be least 26" too

I'm thinking my best bet might be to just buy a coach gun, measure 26.5 from the muzzle and chop the stock.


TIA
Don't do that. close the breech and measure 18" plus a smidge for the barrel. Remember, it is 26" OAL AND a minimum of 18" barrels.
 
As I mentioned, I have a Mossberg 500 with a silly pistol grip, standard stock and tactical. stock. Now mine is a 20ga. so will not speak for the 12ga with silly pistol grip. But I will say this. I like the pistol grip and hardly silly. Easy to shoot and score well on targets. Easy to grip, feel like a large pistol where you can brace with your whole hand and a long barrel. Your say you quickly threw it in the trash? Surely you at least tried it out? I had a lot of range time with all the grips for this 20ga. Many times I come home and just cannot make up my mind which one I prefer. But they all have their place. Maybe that is why they call it the Flex.
I respect a Gentleman's Gun. The 20 ga is righteous. But the OP was looking for a bear gun. I wouldn't want it pressed into that service if my life depended on it.
 
Nice! But you might want to measure that barrel. Looks like the 20" version. Most full length tube models are.
Ah! - I'll do that. It's been 100 years since I've paid attention to the barrel length. Will advise!
 
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