300win mag for grizzly/brown bears

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I'm trying. It's not easy. But I surrendered, and praised the Nosler. ??? Isn't that good? Hey...I will if you guys will. :) And I wasn't the one who was rude, I just disrespected the Nosler. Now I love the Nosler, so let's try to be nice.
 
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I have some of those old Barnes 300 grain bullets for my .350, the ones with the pure copper jackets. I think that rifle, and those bullets might be my go-to if I was really expecting an encounter with grizz. The Barnes are good bullets.

I think most bullets are at least "good" if used within the velocity range they are designed for, if not excellent. I have shot many deer with conventional Hornady and Speer bullets, and they have always worked perfectly for me. When I shot them too fast, as I did with the .303 bullets in my Arisaka, then not so perfect. !!! That Hornady 165 grain BTSP has shown "text-book" expansion and penetration for me, both out of a .30WCF, and the .308.
 
.30 cal, weighing 150 grns or + doing 2500 FPS or + will do a good job.

I will shoot Bears I have looked over at a fair distance, if they are running away, as most do. I live on the wide open Tundra, so its a luxury that come with the view. In trees, never more than 100yards if 30, even....
No look over, no shoot, gotta be fat and healthy.
I hunt them in Spring just as they emerge from their holes, and are exceedingly fat, with the fish taste in the meat gone from a long winters nap. Fat at the lean time of year.
I do mostly temple shots, between that little eye and that little ear. The .223 does very well placed in that "spot"

On my use of a .223, the couple times I did use one was because that is all I had. It was also a nail driver, Rem 700 with 6 in the mag and very hand for Fur and Caribou. Worked for Bears Black and Brown, but as a Hunter by profession and filming a sideline, I have ever advantage, and make the most of terrain and surprise. I also know exactly where to place the bullet as shown me by those I pale to in comparison.... Bears dont shoot back but they scoot along pretty fast.... Distance can make that a safer shot, and Im pretty good at doing that.

I guess a semi auto .223 with multipull shots can do the job very well, up close, if accuracy isnt yer thang....

A study the anatomy of the Bear will do you no harm

Were allowed 2 Brown bears every year here, each, but some years I get none, the rest just one. Its all I need, but the skins make for excellent floors in deep winter.

Now for Bear defense, I would pack a 12 gauge.
 
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Aletheia said:
Anyone who thinks Nosler Partitions or Accubonds are all expensive hype and imaginary "magic power" obviously hasn't shot much game with them. I have been using them (and experimenting occasionally with others) for over 45 years. There are other bullets that deserve respect too, but Nosler has been the standard of performance on game for many years, and high velocity is exactly where the advantages become worthwhile. As for being expensive, the cost of hunting bullets is SO FAR down my list of hunting expenses, that worrying about it is absurd.
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Between accuracy and terminal performance, Sierra Gamekings and Nosler Accubonds are the only bullets I use these days for game.
 
All of this makes one wonder how our ancestors did it with black powder and plain old lead projectiles. But do it they did and before game laws nearly wiped out several species. :(;)
 
Ugly Sauce said:
Nope, not taking the bait. Not gonna do it. I will never, ever, disrespect, speak harshly of, make fun of, or challenge the magic of the Holy Nozzler. I will seek to learn from my superiors, my masters, my betters, no matter what obviously evil thoughts pop into my tiny brain. Not gonna do it. Try your best! :) The Nosler is the best bullet ever, and no price is too high to pay. No bullet except the Nosler will ever pass through the bores of my rifles. I believe. I accept. Have mercy on me. I surrender. I give. I am defeated. And no recommendation will I ever put forth again. I will leave that to my betters. The Nosler IS magic, I agree.
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Say Uncle’
 
MachIVshooter said:
Basically a Euro version of the .375 Whelen.

Here in the US, one would do better to select .375 H&H. A bit more potent, but more due to availability of rifles, ammo and brass. I'd bet just about any store which carries ammo in AK has .375 H&H mag.
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It was purpose built for big critters, to fit in the std. M98 action rifle.

Critters haven't changed much...




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Garandimal said:
Would that include the 150/160 gr. .270 WIN...?

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A 160 grain .277 bullet has a S.D. of .298, a 180 grain .308 has a S.D. of .271.. In a 24 inch bbl with handloads you can push that 160 grain boolet to 2,900+ fps.
So the .270 WCF with a 160 grain Nosler Partition at 2,900 fps is "better for bear" than a factory 180 grain .300 win mag loaded to 2,950 fps.
 
Me, I would use Bigfoot Wallace, my custom '03 Springfield in .35 Brown-Whelen (the most radical form of the Whelen.) I drive a 225 grain Nosler Partition Jacket 2800 fps, and once shot BOTH front legs off an elk -- bullet broke the near side leg going in and the off side leg on exiting. So I know this load will penetrate anything on this continent, no matter how much bone it encounters.
 
Alaskan Ironworker said:
Ive been taking a long hard look at the .30 cal barnes 200 grainers for my 300h&h and 30-06, possibly a better bone breaker than any of the aforementioned bullets, perfect for big bears or bovines I would think. I like partitions a lot, but its hard to argue with barne’s weight retention.
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Think .30-06/168 gr. TSX, from a 10.5 lb semi-auto M1 Rifle(2730-2800fps), Eight on tap, would be hard to beat.

Should be able to break anything down.




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Garandimal said:
Critters haven't changed much...
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Well, not physically. Their behaviors certainly have in settled areas, though. But I digress...

I don't mean to imply that there's anything lacking in the 9.3x62 as a cartridge, just not a very practical choice for a hunter in the United States. Used & custom built guns are the only boomsticks so chambered here, and feeding it is going to be an online only proposition, whether you handload or shoot factory fodder.

I like obscure stuff myself, wouldn't use an 8mm Rem Mag if I didn't. But it's not a cartridge I recommend to others for the same reasons I wouldn't recommend 9.3x62.
 
caribou said:
.30 cal, weighing 150 grns or + doing 2500 FPS or + will do a good job.

I will shoot Bears I have looked over at a fair distance, if they are running away, as most do. I live on the wide open Tundra, so its a luxury that come with the view. In trees, never more than 100yards if 30, even....
No look over, no shoot, gotta be fat and healthy.
I hunt them in Spring just as they emerge from their holes, and are exceedingly fat, with the fish taste in the meat gone from a long winters nap. Fat at the lean time of year.
I do mostly temple shots, between that little eye and that little ear. The .223 does very well placed in that "spot"

On my use of a .223, the couple times I did use one was because that is all I had. It was also a nail driver, Rem 700 with 6 in the mag and very hand for Fur and Caribou. Worked for Bears Black and Brown, but as a Hunter by profession and filming a sideline, I have ever advantage, and make the most of terrain and surprise. I also know exactly where to place the bullet as shown me by those I pale to in comparison.... Bears dont shoot back but they scoot along pretty fast.... Distance can make that a safer shot, and Im pretty good at doing that.

I guess a semi auto .223 with multipull shots can do the job very well, up close, if accuracy isnt yer thang....

A study the anatomy of the Bear will do you no harm

Were allowed 2 Brown bears every year here, each, but some years I get none, the rest just one. Its all I need, but the skins make for excellent floors in deep winter.

Now for Bear defense, I would pack a 12 gauge.
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Definitely a man who knows what he’s talking about.
 
The_shooter said:
Possibly going on a hunt in grizzly country just wanted to hear a few thoughts on the 300win for a grizzly stopper
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Just quoting the OP to bring forward, the OP is not hunting grizzly/browns, he is hunting other game and wants to use a .300WM for that hunting purpose and wants to hear considerations of the .300WM for bear defense (as opposed to carrying other additional weapons) should he be involved in a less than friendly close encounter with one misbehaving while hunting other game. The .300 Win Mag brings 2000 FPE to the party over the .454 Casull and is approximately an additional 1500 FPE over the .500S&W. With the right bullet choice, he ought to be golden, you would think with near 4000 FPE on tap?
 
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If im planning on intentionally striking a shoulder bone on a 1000 lb bear, I want something atleast 200 grains; I believe its a good Idea to anchor a bear so one doesnt have to follow it anywhere, though that may be less important on the tundra.
 
Hog huntin Harry said:
A 160 grain .277 bullet has a S.D. of .298, a 180 grain .308 has a S.D. of .271.. In a 24 inch bbl with handloads you can push that 160 grain boolet to 2,900+ fps.
So the .270 WCF with a 160 grain Nosler Partition at 2,900 fps is "better for bear" than a factory 180 grain .300 win mag loaded to 2,950 fps.
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Or...you could add 700 foot pounds of energy by stepping up to a 190 grain .308 dia in the 300 win Mag at the same velocity and compare apples to hammers.

If you don’t mind losing 100 fps you could compare a 200 gr .308 at 600 foot pounds more energy than your .270 and with better SD if that’s your bag. I know, extra recoil and all, but don’t shoot a 50 year old solid rubber pad and you’ll be fine. Between that and the adrenaline rush from a grizzly charge, I doubt you’ll ever note the difference. Cue end of .270 magic and nostalgia meeting. Again.

OP: big enough for your intended hunt (hopefully not squirrels) in an action built for cold weather reliably.
 
cdb1 said:
I could be wrong but it seems like the 9.3x62 is growing in popularity in the U.S the last few years. Not growing fast by any means but still growing.
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Quite a few of the major ammunition manufacturers load for it, including PPU, which in turn supplies inexpensive reloading brass.

Kind of a niche round, but then... that's why I got it.

I like it b/c it will do the work of a 375 H&H, and is still a good, honest, 250 yd point-n-shoot rifle, w/ 1800 fps and 2,000 ft-lbs at that range.

And it came chambered in this:

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Which is actually a pretty handy rifle, 24" "pencil" Bbl and all.




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Skylerbone said:
Or...you could add 700 foot pounds of energy by stepping up to a 190 grain .308 dia in the 300 win Mag at the same velocity and compare apples to hammers.

If you don’t mind losing 100 fps you could compare a 200 gr .308 at 600 foot pounds more energy than your .270 and with better SD if that’s your bag. I know, extra recoil and all, but don’t shoot a 50 year old solid rubber pad and you’ll be fine. Between that and the adrenaline rush from a grizzly charge, I doubt you’ll ever note the difference. Cue end of .270 magic and nostalgia meeting. Again.

OP: big enough for your intended hunt (hopefully not squirrels) in an action built for cold weather reliably.
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All that's great, but if you use the .270 WCF Jack O'Connor's ghost will bless you and your hunt.;)
 
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