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Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by ExAgoradzo, Oct 26, 2011.

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  1. ExAgoradzo

    ExAgoradzo Member

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    I'd like something that I could put in my trailer for when we go camping in grizzly country.

    1. Heavy caliber (I want a one shot stop for grizzlies at short range or 2 legged varmits, eg. 444, etc: not a 44 mag, got one and a 30-06)
    2. Quick follow up (hence I'm thinking right now a lever action)
    3. Scope capable (just in case I ever do decide to hunt with it)
    4. I will buy the first two boxes of ammo then reload, though I don't care to cast my own bullets

    What caliber?
    What gun?

    Thanks
     
  2. Panzercat

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    Will it look too obvious if I mention a Marlin 45-70?
    No, really.
     
  3. AK_Maine_iac

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    Marlin guide gun or 1895 in 45.70 stoked with 540 grain Hammerheads.
     
  4. ExAgoradzo

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    I have been considering the 45-70. I should have mentioned that. That's what started me thinking lever action. I have 2 1894s. That would compliment nicely. I was just wondering what else was out there as I have no experience with this kind of bullet...

    Thanks again.
     
  5. JustinJ

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    Forget about the 4 and go with a much more effective and practical something with a 9 in front:

    9 oz can of bear spray
     
  6. Omnivore

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    There's the 450 Marlin, but a 45-70 is far more common and it will do about the same job.
     
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    How about a 41mag. It will stop those pesky Teddy Bears DRT!!! Well it sounded funny at first...

    On a serious note, I like the 444, but I believe that the 45-70 would be easier to find ammo and reloading it would be even simpler.
     
  8. Panzercat

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    Expanding on that then and if you can get a hold of one, a Legacy/Puma/Rossi 92 in .454. And just to head it off at the pass, all reports say that yes, the action can handle the pressures regularly and over extended periods of time. If you go that route, Gunbroker is probably your best bet since they were discontinued on all fronts.

    Would give you good capacity and short to medium range knockdown ability. Your biggest challenge will be finding one.
     
  9. mshootnit

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    well my buddy has a 458 win mag, but its a Ruger #1 so follow up shots would not be as fast.
     
  10. mshootnit

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    could also do a pistol in 454 oops I mean revolver, hope I didn't ruin too many evenings
     
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    Great excuse to buy a 45-70 lever!
     
  12. coug

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    408 Chey-Tac . that will do the trick.....
     
  13. 451 Detonics

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    450 Alaskan...works for me...

    4502-1.jpg
     
  14. james_bond

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    Marlin 1895GBL for sure, boy do I want one .
    But depending on budget and taste an AR in .458 SOCOM, .50 Beowulf, or .45 Bushmaster would do the trick too. (.458 socom ballistics are basically the same as .45-70)
     
  15. ExAgoradzo

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    That is a gorgeous 450 451!
    An AR is out of the question right now: someday I really want an AR 10: passed up an opportunity on a 308 b/c I want to wait till I can get what I want.

    This is very interesting: I was thinking I'd hear more about other calibers: the 45-70 is a near consensus. I'll look at the bushmaster and Alaskan as well.

    Would a Cassul do the trick on a Grizzly up close? Is that too much a 'pistol' round?
     
  16. mshootnit

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    firefighter supposedly carry the 454 in a revolver in AK
     
  17. jojo200517

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    So you suggest everyone should carry pepper spray only for defense against anyone else and never an actual weapon? He also says he wants to hunt with it in the future, do you suggest he sprays the bear and then club it into submission with the empty can? (or whatever else he decides to hunt for that matter)

    If he wanted something effective with a 9 in front tho I suppose the 9.3x74mmR could easily do the trick. I don't think you'd find it in a lever action but I could be wrong on that, everything I see is single shot or double rifle. It uses a .366 bullet tho and saying a 4 in front i'm guessing the OP means .400 caliber or larger.
     
  18. MachIVshooter

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    9 in front........like, M109?

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    Yeah, that oughta do it......

    Back to reality, I'm with everyone on the Marlin 1895.
     
  19. ExAgoradzo

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    The spray is some thing I'll get for my wife/boys...
    I was thinking large caliber rifle that will make something DRT that might do it to me or my fam if given the chance (hence 2 legged varmits). Is a 45-70 for example a 400 cal/ larger? If yes, that is what I want... No questions as to a dead grizzly if he comes into my camp: though I'm not planning to go stalking him.
     
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    Uses standard .458" bullets, can develop ~3,800 ft/lbs energy in the Marlin, a little more in a bolt gun or modern single shot.

    For the non-handloader, with something like the Buffalo Bore 430 gr. hard cast load, you've got good bear medicine.
     
  21. GCBurner

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    I was watching someone at the range shooting a .50 Beowulf upper on his AR-15. That thing is a real thumper, .45-70 power in a semi-auto carbine. I've already got an AR lower unit I could use, I just hesitate putting out $800 for an upper that will require me to start loading another calibre. I've got higher priorities for the money right now, but maybe one will show up used, and cheaper, at a gun show sometime.
     
  22. kludge

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    A Peterbilt. Maybe.

    Another vote for bear spray. If that fails, a 12 GA with slugs. And lots of friends with 12 GA slug guns. Semi-auto or pump.

    For something that you can hunt with, how about a Remington 750 in .35 Whelen?
     
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    The downside to this approach is you absolutely do not want to use this tactic with the wind in your face. The sprayer will be the one on the ground and the bear will have some seasoning to add to the banquet.

    With a 45-70, the wind don't matter.

    Dan
     
  24. ExAgoradzo

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    My last post came off totally wrong. I didn't mean that I didn't know that a 45-70 was 400 or larger...I was talking to someone else at the same time: I am just coming to agreement with the consensus that this is an easy gun to get, an easy round to reload, and effective for what I want.

    Don't know anything about the Whelen: I'll check into that as well. But I confess there's something about having a '4' in front: that's a big bore!
     
  25. Sheepdog1968

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    Simple rugged design that's stood the test of time. Right now, I'd get a used one made 3+ years ago. Since Remington took over Marlin they have had manufacturing issues (my personal experience plus lots of chatter about it on the various forums plus there must be a reason Remington has temporarily stopped most of their lever action manufacturing). Besides, used ones cost a bit less and often are essentially good as new. Since you might be worried about nighttime visits, I'd go out to Wild West Guns and get their flashlight adaptor that screws onto the ammo tube.

    It doesn't hurt to also have bear spray as it gives you options.
     
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