Biden Is Cracking Down On Guns Again With AR-15 Pistol Ban, And He’s Using Heller To Do It
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Tommygunn
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I'm not saying I'm hoping for another civil war, I absolutly am NOT, but I do not share your belief. Some of those things you mention are insufficient cause for war, or are old. The 1934 NFA, for example, that's 87 years old. Back then, full auto was pretty rare and few people understood it or cared. The Thompson SMG sold commercially for $200.00 and few could even afford it if they wanted it and that was without the transfer tax .... which, mysteriously, was $200.00 - - - - - doubling the effective price!
Also, with Antifa/BLM Marxists reeking havoc and the increasing social divisions affecting our country, I'm not really sure a gun law will be the biggest cause of such a civil war .... it might be a secondary cause.
If had a few conversations with family/friends and even a casually met stranger that indicate I am not alone in worrying about this. Of course that doesn't mean it's inevitable .... but it is "eye-opening" that others are concerned about the same thing I am.
gyp_c2
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I don't see why going door to door would even be necessary. Shutting down yer' access to yer' bank account, revoking yer' driving license, lots of ways to make people miserable til' they get caught speeding or spitting on the sidewalk and dropping by yer' place while yer' trying ta' get bail. Data is accessible instantly now. So are comms. Nobody wants a war.
Lots of people are concerned right along through now. The water circling the drain gets faster and faster as it gets to the drain.
Let's try to stop the process where we can by being informed and take the opportunities while they exist to exercise some initiative by expressing our concerns appropriately.
Lots of people are concerned right along through now. The water circling the drain gets faster and faster as it gets to the drain.
Let's try to stop the process where we can by being informed and take the opportunities while they exist to exercise some initiative by expressing our concerns appropriately.
lsudave
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I'm glad this topic is being discussed, and particularly glad to see a moderator actively participating in it (and on the side of gun owners). But it's a little surprising, too; people tried to bring up legit concerns on Biden's stance on firearms before the election- when it would have been worth pointing out. Those threads were shut down instantly. And the threads weren't partisan, didn't address other (non-firearms) positions, they merely highlighted what this particular guy STATED ON HIS WEBSITE.
Now, he's in office, and he's trying to do exactly what he said he would. Why are we allowed to discuss it now, when it's basically too late?
Now, he's in office, and he's trying to do exactly what he said he would. Why are we allowed to discuss it now, when it's basically too late?
Ignition Override
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What is Biden …Doing right now, about guns….Other than trying to install his Apparatchik in the ATF and proposed rule making about stabilizer braces?
Maybe this is a domino which is intended to start a gradual fall of more dominos….
but “ Biden’s Senate”, so-called majority (I’m well aware of Manchin, Sinema, filibuster..) can’t even find the nerve for a formal discussion of UBC on the Senate Floor, unless I’ve missed such news.
Maybe this is a domino which is intended to start a gradual fall of more dominos….
but “ Biden’s Senate”, so-called majority (I’m well aware of Manchin, Sinema, filibuster..) can’t even find the nerve for a formal discussion of UBC on the Senate Floor, unless I’ve missed such news.
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We are lucky in that, by the barest skin of our teeth. I guarantee that if they had strong majorities, we would be discussing a lot more than braces and the ATF implementing messed up rules. I guarantee this, if they had the majorities they want, they would pass legislation that would ban semi-auto rifles, magazines, etc etc. They absolutely would, and there would be nothing we could do about it, just like they did in the past.
This isn’t the “start” of the fall of dominoes. This is the continuation of their plans. They’re just not very strong legislatively at the moment, so they’re using their apparatchik to do what they can.
And if it winds up being a Registration and tax stamp scheme, sure, it’s not technically a “ban” per se. So what? It may as well be for most people.
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FRESH TODAY, not a C&P from my file. Strrrrange...this is still up, and, therefore, STILL the opinion. This is a statement of intent, is published, and is therefore a statement of FACT. Further, the poster e.g. Biden is now in a position to CARRY OUT these threats against freedoms....
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/
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''...had to agree to a 10-year sunset provision and when the time came, the Bush Administration failed to extend them. As president, Biden will:
Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. Federal law prevents hunters...
Regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act. Currently, the National Firearms Act requires individuals...
Buy back the assault weapons and high-capacity magazines already in our communities. Biden will also institute a program to buy back...
Reduce stockpiling of weapons. In order to reduce the stockpiling of firearms, Biden supports legislation restricting the number of firearms an individual may purchase per month to one.
etc.
etc.
ANOTHER SECTION...
End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions. Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts.
etc
etc
OH LOOKIE!! IS this happening, today??
Stop “ghost guns.” One way people who cannot legally obtain a gun may gain access to a weapon is by assembling a one on their own, either by...
etc etc
Whereas, all etc. is BAD
Exactly! It’s right there in our faces, and yet people STILL don’t want to believe it.
AlexanderA
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You're forgetting the dynamics of getting elected. "Extremist" groups (on both sides) have to be mollified, but their demands will never see the light of day. This is particularly true of the gun issue. It explains why, when Republicans have control, they do not pass nationwide carry reciprocity, or deregulate silencers, and why, when the Democrats have control, they do not pass any meaningful gun control. Both sides would much rather keep the issue alive, to rile up their bases and use as a tool for fundraising.
I've been around these issues for a long, long time. Watch what they do, and not what they say.
ETA: I've been collecting guns since before the Gun Control Act of 1968. Compared to the way things were before that Act, none of the changes since that time (with one exception) have affected me personally in the least. The one exception was the Hughes Amendment of 1986, and that was the work of Reagan, in conjunction with the NRA.
I'm old enough to have become quite cynical in regard to the motives of all the players involved. One thing's for sure -- I'm not willing to be played for a sucker by any of them.
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DoubleMag - and fellow gun rights supporters:
We realize that those extremely drastic goals are Biden’s “Dream List”.
But even if Biden were much younger, he would still realize that the political risks for even 25 percent of those wishes would be a Huge political risk, some of which Alexander A clarified.
"They" never forgot what happened to Al Gore (along with the voting results ruling…), nor that even the very smooth, politically astute Obama- surrounded by a “golden halo” - knew Not to attempt even a Fraction of what’s on Biden’s Campaign Statement.
But I spend my day mostly avoiding the news, going out to jog, plink nearby twice per week (club)attend Krav Maga class (Im 65), ride a bike a bit, and it helps people not be Immersed in today’s vast Everglades Swamp of information (-most of it is designed to earn ad revenue$- )- which causes too much “stinking’ thinkin”. Too much exposure leaves people rather despondent.
Too much “target fixation” helped an A-7 pilot fly straight into the ground, in a very old training film. He lost overall situational awareness.
Watch events in CA (Judge Benitez) and the appeals.
Biden mostly wants to Distract you- and his words are all he really needs——-
We realize that those extremely drastic goals are Biden’s “Dream List”.
But even if Biden were much younger, he would still realize that the political risks for even 25 percent of those wishes would be a Huge political risk, some of which Alexander A clarified.
"They" never forgot what happened to Al Gore (along with the voting results ruling…), nor that even the very smooth, politically astute Obama- surrounded by a “golden halo” - knew Not to attempt even a Fraction of what’s on Biden’s Campaign Statement.
But I spend my day mostly avoiding the news, going out to jog, plink nearby twice per week (club)attend Krav Maga class (Im 65), ride a bike a bit, and it helps people not be Immersed in today’s vast Everglades Swamp of information (-most of it is designed to earn ad revenue$- )- which causes too much “stinking’ thinkin”.
Too much exposure leaves people rather despondent.Too much “target fixation” helped an A-7 pilot fly straight into the ground, in a very old training film. He lost overall situational awareness.
Watch events in CA (Judge Benitez) and the appeals.
Biden mostly wants to Distract you- and his words are all he really needs——-
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And what they did under Obama was their level best to take guns away, they simple fell short, barely.
They don’t just talk about gun control, they try to pass it.
They will try again while Biden is president, and if they manage to gain control of both the house and the senate via the midterms, they’ll pass it.
Be careful who you vote for, stop making excuses for anties and pick pro gun or at least neutral on gun candidates that agree with your social thinking.
Stop voting for anties, stop saying they won’t actually act so it’s ok to vote them in, when all the evidence says otherwise.
lsudave
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My last post sounded a bit irritable, and I apologize to the board and especially the mods for that. I referred to how threads were getting whacked left and right, dealing with presidential candidates and their proposed gun rights stances.
I don't fault the board, as I also remember the 'potential deplatforming' issues, and the way several websites got harrassed or even shut down, during that time. It was truly a scary, and eye-opening, experience.
I still do find it somewhat curious that we're being allowed to complain about this stuff NOW, when a few months ago, there were heavy-handed efforts to restrict any discussion of Biden's proposals on the 2A front (from the ISP holders). Is it just because they got their way, and now it's not nearly as important (to them)?
I don't fault the board, as I also remember the 'potential deplatforming' issues, and the way several websites got harrassed or even shut down, during that time. It was truly a scary, and eye-opening, experience.
I still do find it somewhat curious that we're being allowed to complain about this stuff NOW, when a few months ago, there were heavy-handed efforts to restrict any discussion of Biden's proposals on the 2A front (from the ISP holders). Is it just because they got their way, and now it's not nearly as important (to them)?
You are paraphrasing Beto O’Rourke, not Joe Biden.
AlexanderA
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It seems that they try to pass it. That's all part of the game. Look at it this way -- if I were a "movement" antigunner, I'd be bitterly disappointed at the Democrats' lack of results. (Just like, as a gun person, I'm bitterly disappointed at the Republicans' lack of results.)
But, the way things have developed, the antigunners have nowhere to go except to the Democrats, whereas the pro-gunners have nowhere to go except to the Republicans. All the professional politicos must be secretly laughing their heads off. They're treating us all like suckers.
This is easy only if you're a 100% single-issue gun voter. Most people, even those who say they are, aren't really single-issue voters. When you have a mix of issues that are important to you, especially if those issues don't neatly break along the "tribal" lines, you have a tough choice. At that point the only thing you can do is vote strategically, going issue by issue and calculating what real difference your vote will make on any given issue. Most social issues, like abortion, gay rights, and guns, are "hollow" in that they are intractable, not amenable to legislative solutions, and that therefore individual votes won't make much difference. Economic issues, on the other hand, are very much in play.
As I've said before, they can "ban" guns (legislatively) but nobody is actually going to ban guns (in reality). There are simply too many guns in this country. And if they try to "ban" guns, the social disruption will be on a par with that of alcohol Prohibition. Anybody with half a brain knows this. But I'm getting too old to worry about it. What will happen will happen.
You are EXACTLY right! How people don’t see this is unbelievable to me. They overthink things within their own minds, possibly to justify some other political venue. I’m a single issue voter when it comes to the 2A, because if a politician stands for that, then most likely, they are in with other issues as well. At least they won’t try to be a king or political deity that wants to control peoples lives. If a politician won’t trust their fellow citizens with the right to keep and bear arms, in accordance with the 2A, then they have fascistic tendencies and are not to be trusted.
Encoreman
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Fellow high roaders, I think we all know it isn't the gun that is the issue here. The leftist, fascist, commies just want to control us. Plain and simple, they don't hate guns at all, for all of their body guards all have lots of full auto guns. I wonder who paid the tax stamp for all those full auto guns anyways. They like to have guns, they are just really afraid we won't comply if we have guns.
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