jabram
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"They're kinda addictive..." Agreed, we probably should just admit we really never met a gun we didn't like, could we please just own at least one of every model.
the CZ 75 in the hand, or the SA-35 in the bush?
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sparkyv
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I own and shoot them both, and I much prefer the CZs. The BHP is iconic, but the trigger sucks and the hammer bites!
swoter
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I have 2 CZ 75s, and 1 Hi Power. I prefer the CZs, but will buy a SA-35 when they start showing up.
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I have 2 CZs and 3 Hi Powers and I will buy more…… but I have a problem…..
Skylerbone
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If you cannot swing both comfortably I’d say get the Springfield. If you don’t like it, sell it and make some money (maybe) then find the exact CZ, or other brand that you want.
Fine Figure of a Man
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Already have a BHP and enjoy shooting it.
I would not buy an SA-35, or any other SA product, no matter what the price and or quality was.
I would not buy an SA-35, or any other SA product, no matter what the price and or quality was.
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I have shot both but alas, when I tried the CZ I was so new to guns I really had no basis for comparison or forming an opinion… I just knew I liked its looks better than the Glock I also rented. When I shot the browning I found it a delight. Trigger on that one wasn’t nearly as bad as the internet would have one believe, and this new one should be nice as well in that regard.
I have small hands and the BHP would be a very big advantage in that department vs the longish DA pull of the CZ. Some people find the BHP actually a bit small in the grip.
Otherwise they’re both great guns. The CZ is at this point much more proven, vs the unknown quantity of a new clone of a discontinued classic. But it’s also not hard to find a CZ anytime if you have a desire.
I have small hands and the BHP would be a very big advantage in that department vs the longish DA pull of the CZ. Some people find the BHP actually a bit small in the grip.
Otherwise they’re both great guns. The CZ is at this point much more proven, vs the unknown quantity of a new clone of a discontinued classic. But it’s also not hard to find a CZ anytime if you have a desire.
Gordon
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Ditto, me too ! The P01 for me is Superb, as is the 75 Compact which I also field .The HiPower forever is alive and sexy, especially when upgraded and tuned and gussied up.
HPJeep
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Buy the CZ this year and the SA35 next year. January is less than 55 days away.
JR24
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Not a bad idea at all. Let the new Springers get on the market and any issues get ironed out first
I own several CZ-75s (and derivatives like the P-07 and Shadow 2), and several FN Hi-Powers (Mk. II and Mk. III).
The CZ-75 is a definitively better pistol than the Hi-Power in every respect that matters.
Though I don’t care for Springfield Armory as a company, that SA-35 is a good-looking pistol, so if that floats your boat, who am I to tell you what to spend your money on?
The CZ-75 is a definitively better pistol than the Hi-Power in every respect that matters.
Though I don’t care for Springfield Armory as a company, that SA-35 is a good-looking pistol, so if that floats your boat, who am I to tell you what to spend your money on?
Speedo66
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Guns are tough to come by at this point, so if you have access to a gun you like, the CZ, grab it.
If the SA35 shows up soon, buy and try. If you don't care for it, you should be able to get your money back, and perhaps a profit, on Gun Broker.
Figure out which one you like best, sell one or keep both.
Hey, it's not my money. lol
If the SA35 shows up soon, buy and try. If you don't care for it, you should be able to get your money back, and perhaps a profit, on Gun Broker.
Figure out which one you like best, sell one or keep both.
Hey, it's not my money. lol
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I own a CGW 75B, CGW All Steel P01, CGW Shadow 2, Stock P01 and a 75B SAO. I like the CZ platform. There are some things I don't like about them. The stock triggers cam. They all cam. Some more than others. CGW parts correct this to a large extent but it is the nature of the design.The stock thumb safety on the 75B is horrible. It is too thin and it is hard to get a proper purchase on it. If you are a 1911 gun and like to ride the thumb safety the CZ75B safety is just in the way and a bump on the frame. The thumb safety on the 75B SAO is a much better lever.
The DA/SA nature of the 75B platform is an advantage if you like to shoot traditional DA/SA guns but there is no decocker. I run all of my DA/SA CZs as SAO guns accept of the stock P01. A CZ right out the the box will have a stiff trigger. It will smooth out a lot after 500 rounds, some polishing or a lot of dry firing. The 75B is stock is best suited for larger hands if you are going to run it in DA/SA mode. The DA trigger length is long and until I set mine up with a CGW reach reduction trigger I used to have to change my grip in order to shoot the DA trigger. This was less than optimal.
The stock sights are just ok. They are not bad but they are not great. They are not any better than the sights that come on a FN BHP. For me on the stock 75B they are something that ideally should be replaced. Finally CZ75s design is overly complicated. The first time you take apart a CZ sear cage this will be the look on your face. All that said they are a great platform when setup properly but IMHO they are not better right out of the box than the FN BHP.
This is my CGW CZ 75B
Now the BHP has its out of the box issues. The trigger can be overly heavy. 8-10 lbs often on late model guns. The sights even on the MKIII are just ok. Thumb safety on the internal extractors, T and C series is almost useless. The hammer bites some people. However for many it is a great great shooter. It simply point like an extension of my hands. The slim profile of the frame and the slide make it a great carry gun even if it is heavy by todays standards. The problems with the gun can be easily corrected.
Removing the mag disconnect, replacing the trigger return spring with a heavier 3 coil spring, C&S trigger sear and spring set makes the BHP a very shootable gun. It's reset will be on par with a stock 75B but not as short as a CGW gun. The thumb safety and sights are a bit more problematic but these are "corrected" on the SA P35. The sights appear to be Heine look a likes. The thumb safety has a more 1911 profile and the more positive engagement. If we were talking about a FN gun then I would replaced the sights with Heine's and the thumb safety with a C&S part but as I said those should not need to be replaced in a the SA. They have also removed the mag disconnect for you and are using a lower weight mainspring along will all steel tooled hammer & sear which they claim yields a better trigger. Jason Burton had one on his bench and out of the box was a 5lbs +/- trigger and once he worked on the factory parts a bit he was down to 4lbs +/-. Even at stock weight it should be a very serviceable trigger. Time will tell if avg gun is the same or if industry insiders like JB got "special" pistols.
If it were me I would get the CZ and when the SA comes in get that as well. Shoot the CZ for now and then once the SA comes in get it and run them side by side. One will most likely work better for you than the other. One IMHO will choose you vs you choosing one of them. I have CZs in the safe but it is not the platform that choose me. LOL
The DA/SA nature of the 75B platform is an advantage if you like to shoot traditional DA/SA guns but there is no decocker. I run all of my DA/SA CZs as SAO guns accept of the stock P01. A CZ right out the the box will have a stiff trigger. It will smooth out a lot after 500 rounds, some polishing or a lot of dry firing. The 75B is stock is best suited for larger hands if you are going to run it in DA/SA mode. The DA trigger length is long and until I set mine up with a CGW reach reduction trigger I used to have to change my grip in order to shoot the DA trigger. This was less than optimal.
The stock sights are just ok. They are not bad but they are not great. They are not any better than the sights that come on a FN BHP. For me on the stock 75B they are something that ideally should be replaced. Finally CZ75s design is overly complicated. The first time you take apart a CZ sear cage this will be the look on your face. All that said they are a great platform when setup properly but IMHO they are not better right out of the box than the FN BHP.
This is my CGW CZ 75B
Now the BHP has its out of the box issues. The trigger can be overly heavy. 8-10 lbs often on late model guns. The sights even on the MKIII are just ok. Thumb safety on the internal extractors, T and C series is almost useless. The hammer bites some people. However for many it is a great great shooter. It simply point like an extension of my hands. The slim profile of the frame and the slide make it a great carry gun even if it is heavy by todays standards. The problems with the gun can be easily corrected.
Removing the mag disconnect, replacing the trigger return spring with a heavier 3 coil spring, C&S trigger sear and spring set makes the BHP a very shootable gun. It's reset will be on par with a stock 75B but not as short as a CGW gun. The thumb safety and sights are a bit more problematic but these are "corrected" on the SA P35. The sights appear to be Heine look a likes. The thumb safety has a more 1911 profile and the more positive engagement. If we were talking about a FN gun then I would replaced the sights with Heine's and the thumb safety with a C&S part but as I said those should not need to be replaced in a the SA. They have also removed the mag disconnect for you and are using a lower weight mainspring along will all steel tooled hammer & sear which they claim yields a better trigger. Jason Burton had one on his bench and out of the box was a 5lbs +/- trigger and once he worked on the factory parts a bit he was down to 4lbs +/-. Even at stock weight it should be a very serviceable trigger. Time will tell if avg gun is the same or if industry insiders like JB got "special" pistols.
If it were me I would get the CZ and when the SA comes in get that as well. Shoot the CZ for now and then once the SA comes in get it and run them side by side. One will most likely work better for you than the other. One IMHO will choose you vs you choosing one of them. I have CZs in the safe but it is not the platform that choose me. LOL
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Sounds about right. Both grreat shooters.
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Do you have the mag safety on the BHP?
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Truer words were never spoken.
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I'm not a big fan of Springfield Armory with their Illinois shenanigans, and what's not to like about CZ.
Hands down CZ and get it canjunized, you will not be disappointed..
If you want a High Power, pony up the $$ and get an FN.
Hands down CZ and get it canjunized, you will not be disappointed..
If you want a High Power, pony up the $$ and get an FN.
sparkyv
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I removed it. It helps the trigger pull a little, but I think it still sucks. I bobbed the hammer, but it still bites me. My son likes it; one day, it'll be his.
jonnyc
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Everything I've read leads me to think that the Turkish Girsan HP is better than the Spfld., but with 7 or 8 BHPs in my collection I probably won't go for either. Which flavor of CZ75 are you contemplating? I have Pre-B that I would rate as at least equal to my BHPs.
SwampWolf
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My name is SwampWolf. And I'm a gunaholic.
Ignition Override
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All I can state is that my CZ PO1 with at least 10,000 rds has remained quite reliable…
as is my CZ PCR with about 1,000-,1200. rds. Period.
Many Ukrainians reportedly now carry lots of donated CZ-75s or 85s (from Czech govt.) in war zones.
as is my CZ PCR with about 1,000-,1200. rds. Period.
Many Ukrainians reportedly now carry lots of donated CZ-75s or 85s (from Czech govt.) in war zones.
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That is the right decision. I collect HPs and CZs and I'd tell anyone that doesn't have a CZ to get it.
