gonoles_1980
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I went with the 9mm just because I have so much 9mm brass. I use light loads which probably wouldn't eject 100% of the time in a pistol. But it's great with the Bond Arms.
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I went with the 9mm just because I have so much 9mm brass. I use light loads which probably wouldn't eject 100% of the time in a pistol. But it's great with the Bond Arms.
Old_Grouch
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You could buy this set on Gunbroker: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/919230996I just know you are feeling the xmas spirit and want to sell me the .22 barrel
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Very nice, but pricey
Targa
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Yep, at least at the sellers buy now price you could order everything he is trying to sell used for the same price new and pick exactly what you want.
two questions and two suggestions:
is it gen1 or gen2? gen2 is denoted by an indented trigger and wider hammer spur, with a smoother action. b.a. will upgrade gen1 to gen2 at a cost of $150 to you.
what barrel is on it now? i forget which model has which barrel as standard. if it doesn’t have either a 9mm or 357/38 barrel then get your favorite one, or both, or more. bucksnort outfitters is a go-to online barrel vendor at great prices and availability, no ffl needed.
you may wish to upgrade to extended rubber grips for more comfort, your call.
go forth and enjoy it!
LocoGringo
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I believe it is Gen 1. Having a "wider hammer spur" would mean that I have both in front of me and can compare. I only have mine with me, but from the way you describe the trigger, it sounds like it's a gen 1 (I'm at work and can't look at it). The barrel it has is the 45/410. I have access to some cowboy loads in 45 colt, so I think I'll give them a try first. Cowboy loads tend to be rather light in recoil. In looking at 410 shotgun shells, the 2.5" only has 1 less pellet than the 3", so I'll probably stick to the 2.5" shells even though it is capable of shooting the 3" shells.
Again, I got this as a gift and have no personal money in this gun and it is not something that I would have paid money for, but since I do have it, I will enjoy it as is. I'd prefer to put my money elsewhere. I'm currently working on a NRL22 rifle setup, so that's where that $150 will go.
Thank you for the info and suggestions. I asked, and you answered.
Old_Grouch
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You'll find, based on the test results I posted earlier, that the 2.5" shells will pattern tighter then the 3" out of the 3.5" barrel so it's best to stick with the 2.5".
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Yup, except .22 lr. They don’t make them anymore. Those barrels auction for far too much used.
Targa
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Ahh… I stand corrected, I did not realize that.
Autodidactic
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They still make the .22 mag I think.
I’m torn between going smaller such as that or .380 for my next barrel, versus going big for a.45 acp or .45 LC/.410.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/322216675347?epid=2254937734&hash=item4b059c4813:g:W7QAAOSwnChhO3AV
https://www.ebay.com/itm/191858174139?epid=2305458407&hash=item2caba368bb:g:OZsAAOSwKfVXIjdP
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it is a back up to a back up. One carries a rifle as a primary weapon so that you can aggress (be on the offense) out to 500m. A pistol is a back up to a rifle. A derringer is a back to a pistol
N9NWO
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A pistol is a semi automatic handgun. Revolvers are another class. A derringer, due to its size, is a backup to both
WisBorn
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I like the Bond Arms Derringer as a second choice gun, as much as a backup.
Loaded with 410 shot shells it is great snake medicine. Loaded with defense loads it handles that also.
In my opinion I like a second handgun more than having a reload for my primary.
Old_Grouch
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A semi-auto is, by legal definition, a pistol. So is a derringer. (or TC Contender, or Remington XP 100, etc.) If you buy a derringer it is listed as a pistol on ATF Form 4473.
18 U.S.C., § 921(A)(29) and 27 CFR § 478.11
The term “Pistol” means a weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having:
a chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s);
and a short stock designed to be gripped by one hand at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s).
No.
There are semi-automatic and single shot pistols, and revolvers are often properly called pistols, and although US Code makes a distinction, most state laws do not.. Ever hear of a revolving belt pistol? Derringers are pistols, as were Deringers.
Old_Grouch
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Ah, yes; the "Chicago reload"
Though I wouldn't carry any of mine as my primary arm John Wilkes Booth found it (Deringer. One R in this case) very effective as a primary.
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Autodidactic
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I thought that was the New York Reload!Ah, yes; the "Chicago reload"
Though I wouldn't carry any of mine as my primary arm John Wilkes Booth found it (Deringer. One R in this case) very effective as a primary.
\By the way, what do you think of these Deringer kits?
Traditions® Philadelphia Derringer Pistol Kit | .45 Cal | Muzzle-Loaders.
Muzzle Loading Pistols model Deringer Philadelphia Pistol with case (davide-pedersoli.com)
Latter is supposed to be better.
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Old_Grouch
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There was a time long, long ago, in a galaxy far, far away that I dabbled in black powder stuff. From my research of the time I'd say the Pedersoli is probably the better quality of the two. I had a Pedersoli 1860 Army at one time. I didn't have anything to compare it to but it seemed quite well made and I had no issues with it. Traditions has always struck me as the budget option.
To-may-toe/to-mah-toe.
high country
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Either of those would make a fun little project, going to have to keep an eye out for sales!
Got out to ring a little steel with some 250gr RNFP's. Figured this would be a good place to drop a picture and keep this little derringer/deringer appreciation thread going...
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I thought that was the New York Reload!
By the way, what do you think of these Deringer kits?
Traditions® Philadelphia Derringer Pistol Kit | .45 Cal | Muzzle-Loaders.
Muzzle Loading Pistols model Deringer Philadelphia Pistol with case (davide-pedersoli.com)
Latter is supposed to be better.
I have built several Derringers from kits. Jukar for one. The Jukar is a shooter, a short pistol that has over kill on the stock. The Traditions look like the same pistol. You need to find pictures of original Deringers and derringers and try sculp the stock to look like the originals. The barrels are heavy and not tapered. The Pedersoli and early Dixie gun Works have flat main springs in the back action locks and slender tapered barrels. The Jukar has coil spring for the main spring.
I am in the finishing stages of a Pedersoli kit and I have a new old stock Dixie Kit. During my project I have collected several books that are devoted solely to Deringer and derringer pistols. One book shows a completely disassembled original Deringer in detail. The parts of each of the kits look like exact copies of the parts of the original Deringer. The Boothe/Lincoln Deringer is about 1/2 inch shorter overall length than the length of the two kits.
In my studies I've found that there were many makers of percussion derringers from 1835 to 1865. Derringers were extremely popular and fashionable during these years. The percussion Deringer and derringers gave way to the cartridge derringers. After the civil war percussion derringers were continually made in the southern states by many makers and are referred as southern derringers. The reason made being they were more affordable in a depressed region.
Deringer percussion pistols were made simple or elaborate depending on how much the buyer wanted to spend. An extremely rare Deringer known as the "peanut" (the barrel being less than one inch in length) is extremely rare and could fetch as much as $XXXXX.XX if you happen to have one in your desk drawer.
A jeweled and gold mounted pair of deringers made by the U.S Historical Society has 10 oz. of 18k gold and 1 oz. of platnum, 20 carats of 100 points of diamonds, two rubies, 4 sapphires and two lapis lazuli.
Sorry, probably more information than you wanted to know. My passion about them is showing.
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Old_Grouch
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If you put a forward grip on a derringer:What if it has a forward grip?
Ok, I’ll go to bed now…
1. Fill out the paperwork and pay the tax.
2. Seek professional help.
aaaaa
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The problem I have with Bond Arms is I can't get the gun I really want without buying the one I don't want, then buying the barrel I want.
None of their offerings come with either the .45 Colt or the .44 Special barrels, which can be had separately. I don't want the .45 Colt/.410 because it will have minimal rifling to accommodate the shot shells whereas the .45 Colt only barrel should have more rifling. And the .44 Special would be preferred as that ammo is cheaper than the .45 Cold, though I can't imagine shooting enough out of one of these that ammo price would really matter, so I am sticking with .45 Colt.
Now the point of a Derringer is concealability so the shortest barrel is probably the best. In that regard and to have much rifling, a shorter cartridge is preferred, so maybe I solved my on problem as I think they do have an off-the-shelf with the .45 ACP. However, if you don't get a revolver caliber, you won't get the automatic ejector feature on the Bond Arms Derringer, so how important is the auto eject feature?
None of their offerings come with either the .45 Colt or the .44 Special barrels, which can be had separately. I don't want the .45 Colt/.410 because it will have minimal rifling to accommodate the shot shells whereas the .45 Colt only barrel should have more rifling. And the .44 Special would be preferred as that ammo is cheaper than the .45 Cold, though I can't imagine shooting enough out of one of these that ammo price would really matter, so I am sticking with .45 Colt.
Now the point of a Derringer is concealability so the shortest barrel is probably the best. In that regard and to have much rifling, a shorter cartridge is preferred, so maybe I solved my on problem as I think they do have an off-the-shelf with the .45 ACP. However, if you don't get a revolver caliber, you won't get the automatic ejector feature on the Bond Arms Derringer, so how important is the auto eject feature?
