Putting a little more power in a $15.00 Daisy

No problem at all Mark, thanks for all the kind words much appreciated.
Linking to this thread is a great idea, maybe show people they can tinker and try different things with there RR and then try it out in there back yard?
Not sure how all this YouTube stuff works yet so I cant help with that part?
Just got home from a day trip so I'll read to your email this evening.
Terry

WOW!!!! Man has this grown in progress since my last visit!!!! You guys are amazing!!!! Mark, did you ever think??? I bought a few of your springs and played with some thin walled SS tubing for air tubes. But man carbon fiber barrels and some of Black barrel customs creations are far and above where I thought this would go!!!! Glad I stopped back in!!!! Wish I could contribute something but I haven't had the time to even get to half of what I'd like to try!!!! I'll be stopping in way more often now!!!! I'm afraid to even see whats going on with 1377's

I really must also note how humbled I am to have stumbled into the Daisy world. It has been nothing short of a blessing in the boys and mines' life. I have a full time job as of now. But this is a love and passion ,fueled by the genuine support of the greatest community I believe anyone can take part in. The ideas, communications, and fun to be had is just over the top. I can't hang up my hat to that. There are still plenty of thoughts, drafts and plans coming ahead from my corner of the rifle box, along with some special character intros. All in due time. It really is amazing to see this particular thread achive so many pages of knowledge and insight into the Daisy hive. And very thankful to be a part of it to develope in. It likely wouldn't have molded into where I am today without the contributing names in this thread. The positivity overflows from each and everyone of us. And I can't imagine this thread fading away anytime soon. Terry's #95 numbers are definitely worth a proper nod in high favor. May we never reach a limit with undoubtedly the best name in airgun history.

Great post BBC!!! I too am so grateful to the contributions you, Shane, Mark, Terri and all the others I'm sure I missed have made!!! This is a remarkable place with remarkable people!! I'm looking fwd to getting some free time to get back into this arena and doing some modding!!! Sucks here in NJ as each purchase requires all the paperwork of an actual firearm!!! I can't just run to the nearest wallyworld and grab a RR off the shelf! Hell I can't even find 'em!!!! I have only my original buck from around 196 7 68?? and one other I'll have to chk on. Thanks again to all you fine gentlemen that make this so much fun!!!!!
Be well

First off, thanks to everyone who kept this string going with new info. I am just finding it now and it has been very enjoyable. I hope I am not posting duplicate info, there is a lot of info in this topic thread. I will break up my first few posts in hopes of making them more readable.

Model 95 removal/install of plunger past the rear sight screw:

I noted Cobalt talking about the problem of the rear sight screw damaging the plunger seal upon removal/install.

On my Model 95 I was able to keep turning the rear sight screw in (raising the rear sight) until the screw went out the bottom of the sight. You can now remove that screw, the slot the screw's head is captive in has a large opening at one end. With that screw removed it is easy to remove/install the Model 95 plunger without taking a gouge out of it.

To reinstall you need a small pair of needle nose pliers or the equivalent and a narrow slotted screwdriver that can pass through the threaded hole of the rear sight. Use the pliers to get the screw head into the slot and lined up with the hole and use the narrow screwdriver to turn the screw back up into the rear sight through the bottom of the rear sight. Yes, it feels like you are going to break the rear sight off by lifting it that high, I was careful and did not raise it any extra and it has been fine through many removals and installs.

For anyone looking for a quick and dirty spring compressor tool, mine could not be much simpler and it has survived a dozen disassembles. However it is not fun with the high powered spring, a better made tool would be nice if you were using it a lot. But for a few times this worked.

I drilled two holes into a random piece of junk wood and put in two bamboo skewers. I needed to shave a little wood off of the inside edges so they could make it past the flat plunger sides. I place this on the workbench with the skewers pointed up and push the gun down onto the tool with one hand and that leaves my other hand free to pull out/put in the part that holds the spring in place.

Here are some more data points for anyone that is interested regarding the:
-Model 95 and
-Model 499b

unless otherwise noted, all data is using Walmart Daisy Precision Max BBs, the cheap ones.

-Model 95:

I have what I think is a late 1960's early 1970's Model 95. My results from modifications to the Model 95:

It was shooting ~240 fps with the original spring and replaced seals.

Added the 7/64" air tube replaced made no difference in the fps.

Added Cobalt's high performance spring and the fps went up to 314 to 322 fps, but the overall noise and jarring of the character did not work for me shooting in the backyard with the family in a residential area. This is not a complaint about Cobalt's spring, I think it is a great product and I am very happy he brought it to market, it just did not work for me for my specific use. I am positive I would have been thrilled to have had this high powered model to walk around the fields with instead of my anemic version.

I went back to the original ~50 year old spring but installed a new Model 25 shot tube and got a nice velocity bump to ~255 fps.

Looking for a bit more power, I installed a new production Red Ryder spring with a 1/2" spacer to preload the spring, leaving the 7/64" air tube installed.I also applied a coating of ARH brand Heavy Tar to the spring guide rod/plunger rod. That did a great job killing the "twang" sound of the spring that I really hate hearing. That got me to 300-315 fps without an offensive level noise with the family sitting around in the backyard. The accuracy is also excellent.

I used some of the fancy Avanti match BBs and that pushed the velocity up to ~325-330 fps.


-Model 499b:

Factory velocity was a consistent 238 fps.

I installed a new production Red Ryder spring with a single washer at the rear to assist with an easier installation. I also applied a coating of ARH brand Heavy Tar to the spring guide rod/plunger rod to kill the spring noise. That brought the velocity up to the high speed of 450 fps and no spring twang.

However, the muzzle report was noticeable, so loud that the family found it annoying for me to be shooting it with them in the backyard. It was on the same noise level as one of my high powered springers, like a TX200.

For me the goal of these bb guns was to let people enjoy target shooting in the backyard without annoying others who were not shooting and the Model 499b in that configuration was not acceptable.

Instead I went back to the original 499b spring and preloaded it 1/2". Once again a coating of Heavy Tar was applied to kill the spring noise. With that configuration I was getting the same incredibly consistent velocity of 299 fps with WM bulk Daisy Precision Max BBs.


Oddly the muzzle report from the 499b is noticeably louder compared to my Model 25, which has more velocity and a stronger spring.


All of the above velocity numbers are for guns that have less than 100 shots through them in their current configuration. I expect they will speed up some more as things work in with more shots.


Thanks again everyone for all of the info that let me get to this point very quickly and benefit from your experiments.

Was doing a little shooting today and though I would see what 585fps would get me at 92 feet ?
I found a couple of cans, a beer can and a tin veggi can .
Keeping in mind I'm old and seeing these through a peep site at 90+ feet is an accomplishment in it's self for me.
I took a few shots at the beer can and hit it fairly easily, it was like nothing, BB's just blew through it.
What happened next, I wasn't expecting, I actually hit the 4" end of the veggi can and the BB blew rite through it also.
I was expecting a dent but not a gaping hole, to say the least I'm a happy camper, not bragging just showing that hard work does pay off sometimes.
Thanks for looking, pictures below.
Terry

Good info, thanks.

Nice to see some activity here again.

cobalt327 said:

And it would be nice if even a few of the 100-plus folks who view this thread every day would tell the community what brought them here- I bet there's some interesting stories there!

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I told my story about 40 pages ago. Appreciate all y'alls efforts and knowledge.

Thats a good tip Mark, works good for me also.
Now do you have any tips for removing the BB loading door with out breaking it?
T.C.