Why does SC not honor Washington DC CCW

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So from what I have read SC honors resident permits for individuals 21 years or older from states that require an applicant to successfully pass a criminal background check and a course in firearm training and safety.

Washington DC CCW requires you to be 21, pass a background check and complete a training and safety course.

But According to a map on SC’s website https://www.sled.sc.gov/cwp they do not honor DCs permit. What’s stranger is they do honor MDs permit and it is the same course (15 mins of material is different but most instructors do DC and MD classes at the same time because they are essentially identical)

And they also don’t honor non resident permits so I can’t use a MD permit there. And they only issue non resident SC permits to military and property owners from what I read.

Is there no way as a DC resident to be able to legally carry in SC? It is the only blob missing on my map driving south down the coast from DC.
 
Zygodactyl said:
Does DC honor SC permits? If they don't that is why SC doesn't honor DC permits.
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That was my first thought because that is sometimes the reason but Maryland doesn't honor SC either and upon further inspection it dose not seem to be one of SC’s criteria

28 states honor DC and 26 honor MD. Neither MD or DC honor any. So while with some state they honor states that also honor their permits it’s actually the minority SC is not one of those because they honor multiple states that don’t honor theirs (MD, DE, IL) but only for residents. And their stated criteria is like I said b4 (age, background check, training)
 
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It's called reciprocity, which most if not all, deep blue states do not participate in.



You can find on the web which states will and will not honor your out of state cpl/ccw
 
Washington DC does not participate in a reciprocity agreements with other states, therefore no state will honor their CCW license. States that have constitutional carry laws, that require no license to carry in their states, may however negate the need for a reciprocity agreement.
 
Illinois does not accept CCW's from any state that I am aware of, but from the Op's linked site, South Carolina will accept an Illinois CCW.
Not sure what their criteria is.
 
Steve51 said:
Illinois does not accept CCW's from any state that I am aware of, but from the Op's linked site, South Carolina will accept an Illinois CCW.
Not sure what their criteria is.
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Neither dose Maryland and they accept them. Also Maryland and DC have the same training/education requirements.

according to South Carolina section 23-31-215 (N)(1)
“Valid out-of-state permits to carry concealable weapons held by a resident of a reciprocal state must be honored by this State, provided, that the reciprocal state requires an applicant to successfully pass a criminal background check and a course in firearm training and safety. (…) SLED shall maintain and publish a list of those states as the states with which South Carolina has reciprocity.”​

The only thing I can see is that it’s SLEDs job to maintain a list and they just didn’t add DC to it. Other than that I can’t figure it out.
 
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Some states, like GA, do not require any training to get a carry permit. Just fill out the forms, get a background check and pay your fee. Other states require various levels of training. For that reason, some states do not recognize GA's carry permit. And we won't accept theirs.

GA did recently pass constitutional carry, but you have the option to get a permit. I recently got mine renewed because I want to be able to carry in other states and it means bypassing the background check when purchasing a gun.
 
rtroha said:
Ohio honors all licenses, no reciprocity required.
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jmr40 said:
Some states, like GA, do not require any training to get a carry permit. Just fill out the forms, get a background check and pay your fee. Other states require various levels of training. For that reason, some states do not recognize GA's carry permit. And we won't accept theirs.

GA did recently pass constitutional carry, but you have the option to get a permit. I recently got mine renewed because I want to be able to carry in other states and it means bypassing the background check when purchasing a gun.
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Yeah I am good in Ohio and Georgia with my DC and Maryland permits already. But I was thinking of adding a multi-state like Idaho or Florida to fill in some gaps and realize while I was at it there was no way for me to fill in South Carolina.

they don’t accept my DC permit and while they accept permits from Maryland, Florida and Idaho they only honor them for residents.

this is annoying because while SC is not on the list of places I travel to regularly, my brothers house in NC is and it’s pretty close to the boarder and I would like to not have to worry about it.
 
There is something you can do to get SC to Honor DC. You have to talk nice and just ask WHY! I have seen this happen twice before. A state didn't honor another state and they got a lot of NICE Phone calls asking them WHY! The more that call the more chances you have of getting results. Remember Government Employees don't like to be bothered and they will got tired of answering the same question all the time. Tell them they Honor MD and DC has almost the exact same laws on issue etc. etc.. You want to visit the Beaches there etc. etc.. What they don't want to do is keep answering the phone with the same question. It will only take you a minute or two and it doesn't cost you any money! That is less time than making a post here. Here is the contact info for SLED
SLED Headquarters
4400 Broad River Road
Columbia, SC 29210
Phone: 803.737.9000

You can also do the same thing but this time to the Governor!
The Honorable Henry McMaster
State House
1100 Gervais Street
Columbia, South Carolina 29201

Email Governor McMaster
On line Email: https://iqconnect.lmhostediq.com/iqextranet/EForm.aspx?__cid=FSL_SC_GOV&__fid=100000
Phone:
803.734.2100

Again talk nice. People don't like to get yelled at and they will not listen to someone yelling. Good Luck!
 
Gary Slider said:
There is something you can do to get SC to Honor DC. You have to talk nice and just ask WHY! I have seen this happen twice before. A state didn't honor another state and they got a lot of NICE Phone calls asking them WHY! The more that call the more chances you have of getting results. Remember Government Employees don't like to be bothered and they will got tired of answering the same question all the time. Tell them they Honor MD and DC has almost the exact same laws on issue etc. etc.. You want to visit the Beaches there etc. etc.. What they don't want to do is keep answering the phone with the same question. It will only take you a minute or two and it doesn't cost you any money! That is less time than making a post here. Here is the contact info for SLED
SLED Headquarters
4400 Broad River Road
Columbia, SC 29210
Phone: 803.737.9000

You can also do the same thing but this time to the Governor!
The Honorable Henry McMaster
State House
1100 Gervais Street
Columbia, South Carolina 29201

Email Governor McMaster
On line Email: https://iqconnect.lmhostediq.com/iqextranet/EForm.aspx?__cid=FSL_SC_GOV&__fid=100000
Phone:
803.734.2100

Again talk nice. People don't like to get yelled at and they will not listen to someone yelling. Good Luck!
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huh that’s actually a really good idea. What do you know the internet is talking sense to me today. :)
 
I am a SC resident. I believe (could be wrong), the state's Attorney General is the one that handles which state permits are honored. Before GA & SC, came to an agreement, I got a non-resident Utah permit, so I could carry in GA and AL. Used to do a lot of travel for work.
 
Things may have changed in SC but 15+ years ago an Officer in SLED took care of putting the paperwork together to honor another state. He said he worked on that when he HAD TIME from his other duties. I assisted them in obtaining some of that information. I do believe SLED takes care of this issue and approves states and not the AG. I could be wrong and SLED might just do the paperwork and send it to the AG but my impression has always been SLED took care of it.
 
I’m with you on this. I have a Pa resident carry license as well as a non resident Maryland and Arizona license. But when going to Florida or Myrtle Beach, I have to disarm. I’ve taken Md’s 16 hours of class time, plus other classes, but that’s not good enough. Maybe buying a 1/4 acre of swamp land in SC is the answer :).
 
Driving thru SC:

Anyone who can legally own a firearm can carry it loaded if contained in a closed Glove Box, Console, It just has to be shut not locked.

16-23-10. Definitions. When used in this article:
(1) “Handgun” means any firearm designed to expel a projectile and designed to be fired from the hand, but shall not include any firearm generally recognized or classified as an antique, curiosity, or collector’s item, or any that does not fire fixed cartridges.

16-23-20. Unlawful Carrying of Handgun; Exceptions.

It is unlawful for anyone to carry about the person any handgun, whether concealed or not, except as follows, unless otherwise specifically prohibited by law:
(9) a person in a vehicle if the handgun is:

(a) secured in a closed glove compartment, closed console, closed trunk, or in a closed container secured by an integral fastener and transported in the luggage compartment of the vehicle; however, this item is not violated if the glove compartment, console, or trunk is opened in the presence of a law enforcement officer for the sole purpose of retrieving a driver’s license, registration, or proof of insurance; If the person has been issued a concealed weapons permit pursuant to Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23, then the person also may secure his weapon under a seat in a vehicle, or in any open or closed storage compartment within the vehicle’s passenger compartment; or”

 
Gun4Fun90 said:
So from what I have read SC honors resident permits for individuals 21 years or older from states that require an applicant to successfully pass a criminal background check and a course in firearm training and safety.

Washington DC CCW requires you to be 21, pass a background check and complete a training and safety course.

But According to a map on SC’s website https://www.sled.sc.gov/cwp they do not honor DCs permit. What’s stranger is they do honor MDs permit and it is the same course (15 mins of material is different but most instructors do DC and MD classes at the same time because they are essentially identical)

And they also don’t honor non resident permits so I can’t use a MD permit there. And they only issue non resident SC permits to military and property owners from what I read.

Is there no way as a DC resident to be able to legally carry in SC? It is the only blob missing on my map driving south down the coast from DC.
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To the best of my knowledge, and this has been a hard fast rule here, beyond the training requirement which was the biggie for a long time .... we'll only honor theirs if they honor ours and D.C. does not honor ours.

Maryland was just added recently ... very recently.

We've got some fairly open Peaceable Journey laws here, for tourist benefits, so that should cover any law abiding citizen visiting here ... even from inside the beltway.
 
Full Faith and Credit Clause of the U.S. Constitution

Article IV, Section 1:

Sect. 1. Full faith and credit shall be given in each State to the public act, records, and judicial proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may, by general laws, prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

I guess I just don’t understand how a CCW from any state can’t be good in any other state. A driver’s license from any state is good in any other, regardless of any variations in requirements for the license.

I have waited years to get a MD carry permit, saved only by Bruen. Now that I finally have the permit, why isn’t it good in every state? Is it just that it hasn’t been tested in court? If not, why not?
 
ClemY said:
Full Faith and Credit Clause of the U.S. Constitution

Article IV, Section 1:

Sect. 1. Full faith and credit shall be given in each State to the public act, records, and judicial proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may, by general laws, prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

I guess I just don’t understand how a CCW from any state can’t be good in any other state. A driver’s license from any state is good in any other, regardless of any variations in requirements for the license.

I have waited years to get a MD carry permit, saved only by Bruen. Now that I finally have the permit, why isn’t it good in every state? Is it just that it hasn’t been tested in court? If not, why not?
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Because that’s not what the full faith and credit clause is about. It means if you get a judgment against someone in West Virginia and they flee to Florida to try and avoid paying it you can take your judgment from the WV court to a FL court and they will honor it. It has nothing to do with drivers license or anything it’s just about courts in one state giving “full faith and credit” to judgments from the courts in other states.

As for drivers license being honored anywhere they weren’t always there is a thing called the “interstate drivers license compact” that the states did on their own to simplify things and not need truck drivers to have multiple license plates on their trucks and obtain a drivers license from each state they passed through.

For national concealed carry reciprocity you are better off falling back on arguments rooted in the good old second amendment.

or is you really want it and are willing to swallow a poison pill that may later backfire, you could go with the argument that reciprocity is a form or interstate commerce and is the exclusive territory of congress taking individual states rights out of the equation and then lobby really really hard to get congress to pass a law forcing it on the states.

The scary part is under Wickard V. Filburn the second argument probably holds more weight that you would hope it dose.
 
Gun4Fun90 said:
Because that’s not what the full faith and credit clause is about. It means if you get a judgment against someone in West Virginia and they flee to Florida to try and avoid paying it you can take your judgment from the WV court to a FL court and they will honor it. It has nothing to do with drivers license or anything it’s just about courts in one state giving “full faith and credit” to judgments from the courts in other states.

As for drivers license being honored anywhere they weren’t always there is a thing called the “interstate drivers license compact” that the states did on their own to simplify things and not need truck drivers to have multiple license plates on their trucks and obtain a drivers license from each state they passed through.

For national concealed carry reciprocity you are better off falling back on arguments rooted in the good old second amendment.

or is you really want it and are willing to swallow a poison pill that may later backfire, you could go with the argument that reciprocity is a form or interstate commerce and is the exclusive territory of congress taking individual states rights out of the equation and then lobby really really hard to get congress to pass a law forcing it on the states.

The scary part is under Wickard V. Filburn the second argument probably holds more weight that you would hope it dose.
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If that were true, why was there concern when homosexuals from East Podunk went to MA after they legalized same sex marriage, got a marriage license, got married, then went home to East Podunk, and even though it was illegal in East Podunk, they had to recognize the legality of the MA wedding?
 
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