Black Panthers and Guns...

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I was just watching FOX news..and they had a segment about the new Black Panthers and how they will join the demonstrations on May 1st.


This thread isn't really about the Black Panthers or their politics at all. It is about something entirely different.


While listening to the segment, FOX mentioned that they will not be armed. Then, they go to what looked like some older footage of a group of beret wearing Black Panthers with weapons demonstrating in some American city. One of them was clearly holding a scoped AR-15. Scope looked like it had a large 50mm objective. Others had "assault" style weapons and shotguns.


How is this possible? Did they not get arrested for that? Where is the BATFE and SWAT team to take them out for illegally brandishing weapons?


WHAT IF, we, THR type folks demonstrated in the streets with our rifles for something like 2nd Amendment rights? Would we be called an extremist right-wing militia and dealth with by extreme government force? They'd find any excuse, like to check our AR's or AK's to see if they are "full auto" or not.


Something just rubs me wrong here. I'm I not understanding the whole picture here? Am I missing some information? Who gets to carry an AR-15 in a demonstration and get away with it? This seems like a race-based, or minority based double-standard.
 
If the footage was old enough, they may have been legal. I recall reading that Cali's ban on open carry many years ago was provoked by fear of BPs carrying weapons around, with the police powerless to do anything to arrest those mean men with guns who so upset the fragile temperments of Cali.

CR
 
I think the Panthers are no different than the KKK. The emotional engines that run both organizations are fueled by racism and bigotry. I 'spect if a newshound looked dilligenty, they'd find 'old footage' of Caucasion Scot/Irish males walking around with shotguns and cattle prods. Of of the Govenor of Georgia (Lester Maddox) passing out ax handles on the steps of the State Capitol Bldg.

'Old footage' is just that..its time to move on. The affiliate that aired that footage was trying to stir the pot of sensationalism. Thats what sells.

That said, the RTKBA is for everyone of voting age.

salty.
 
Well, by older footage, I mean like maybe no more than 10 years old max. I'm not talking 1960's here.

One guy had a what looked like a dragunov, another an AK, another a tactical shotgun, and the dude with the AR had a large objective scope on it. Looked like a Leupold because I think I saw a gold ring on it. I PVR'ed part of the segment but only the part where they showed still photos. I missed the part where they showed video footage.


Like I said, I don't care about their politics or issues. It just seems that they are the only ones running around demonstrating with firearms.
 
Well, I am not against the concept of marching with firearms. That borders on an entirely different discussion.


I want to know why they get away with it, but let's say the neo-nazis wouldn't. Or, forget the racists, I bet my bottom dollar an NRA demonstration with arms would be seen as a threat, or extremist.


No matter what, if there are laws preventing me and you from carrying long arms in a demonstration, then that law should be enforced with the Black Panthers. Why is it that government will pick on a religious group to make an in-your-face national statement via brute force about firearms laws/violations, but sits idle when these thugs march around with their arms?
 
They don't get away with it. It's the second law of the country they are bearing arms. It's legal until the Supremes say it isn't and they aren't ready for the response to that decision.


Bear arms in a big enough group and the local govt. has a whole 2 options.

A.) Well noone is getting shot so this is okay


B.) Send every cop for 100 miles over to the demonstration so we can start a shootout with a heavily armed group. And totally justify them carrying arms.


I don't think the JBT's thought the Davidians would put up a fight. That's why these guys(thugs is a bit much they are doing what we would like to do) are left alone the govt. thinks they won't fold so they get left alone.

Hey Joe we need some press.
The Black Panthers are walking in the streets with guns sounds like great press "ATF puts down armed

revolt". You have a point but those guys will start shooting at us the minute we turn on the lights what

we need is less resistance. Good point Joe no need to get shot before getting promoted. I found one

how about these folks Joe. "Now here's a glorified bible study group down in Waco. Let's raid them

they'll fold like a bunch of Lord loving peaceniks." Call the boys tell'em to zip up the jack boots it's

stomping time.
 
That's fine and all. You're bringing the whole Second Amendment into this. I'm not arguing that. I don't mind that people bear arms as liberally as possible.


What I'm asking is what the current law states. I find it hard to believe that you could do the same as the BP's and not get thrown in jail or shot at. If it is illegal to do what they're doing, then it is discrimination, if it is legal - then it is bias.

I'm discussing what is and isn't legal at the moment, regardless of constitutional arguments.


I'm not going to sit here and support the Black Panthers armed carry because I am a Second Amendment purist when that application of the law is NOT equal whatsoever. That isn't an argument or position to hold. You cannot support unequal application of law or rights.
 
the duke rape case/ "new" black panther party

the new black panther party was rumored/reported to
demostrate against the sports team that
allegedly raped a hooker.
people who for political reasons call
her a stripper but when you call an escort
service your getting a hooker.
the rumor reporters were saying the the new black panther party
was going to march with guns, probably illegal
to bring guns on campus though.
the old BP were lefty/lib/culty, the new black panther party is moonbat Islam.
I doubt real Muslims have anything to do with them.
old BP did march on the CA statehouse with loaded rifles
thus making it neccessary for our fearless leader Ronnie Reagan
to sign a law against CA open carry of loaded weapons.


If open carry of rifles is legal in NC I have no problem
with them doing so.
 
The footage was probably from a 2000 demonstration by the Black Panthers outside the Texas state GOP convention. There were 15 of them there with AKs and various other weapons to protest the pending execution of an inmate.

Carrying long guns openly is legal in Texas as long as it doesn't intimidate anyone, isn't pointed at anyone or contributes to public disorder. Since th Black Panthers had a parade permit, no disorder. Since nobody complained, no initimidation. Personally, as a resident of the state of Texas, I am very pleased with the way the state handled that.
 
How is this possible? Did they not get arrested for that? Where is the BATFE and SWAT team to take them out for illegally brandishing weapons?

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And, so, if it's that legal to brandish a weapon in a public place, wonder what they'd do if I came walkin' down the sidewalk with an AK locked and loaded in front of the panthers? Wonder if they'd arrest "whitey"? What would they do if some skin heads carried weapons on a march while waving the Nazi flag and brandishing hateful, racist signs????? Would they be more intimidating?

Not trying to cause any racial arguments here, but is there a double standard here? I really don't know. I've never seen skin heads carrying guns in a demonstration on the TV news. Might have happened and I never heard, though. Anyone know of a case?

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I want to know why they get away with it, but let's say the neo-nazis wouldn't. Or, forget the racists, I bet my bottom dollar an NRA demonstration with arms would be seen as a threat, or extremist.

Dang, shoulda read the whole thread. Someone beat me to it....:D
 
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To be quite honest, even if you don't agree with the protests (which I don't in this case), they should be allowed to carry anything they want - open or concealed.

Of course, that's my opinion about everyone in the country legally that isn't currently in prison.
 
I find this a little suprising considering the friction between hispanics and blacks in alot of places.
 
How is this possible? Did they not get arrested for that? Where is the BATFE and SWAT team to take them out for illegally brandishing weapons?
I don't know what footage you're referring to , but in the late 60s the Panthers used to legally demonstrate at the Cal state capitol in Sacramento with open arms. This, of course, freaked out the politicians and the govt enacted a string of tough carry laws after that. You can thank Governor Reagan.
 
The New Black Panther Party representative I saw on Fox was making veiled threats against the community if the legal process didn't go the way he wanted. All I saw there was a warlord in the making, not a representative of free men with arms.
 
So guys, when are we going to march on some U.S. city fully armed with our parade permits for our Second Amendment rights?


I wouldn't mind showing off my gear and get to hang out with fellow gun owners!


Maybe we can demonstrate in some city for an 89 or 86 repeal!

:rolleyes:
 
My personal opinion is that the news media is just stirring the pot. They are controlled by the powers that be to drive a wedge between the races.

The Black Panthers (who are probably now the Gray Panthers), The Sengalese Liberation Army (SLA) ,and the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) were all communist funded and trained in the 60's.

All the "loose cannons" in the comming demonstrations are being orchastrated by the communist through the Mexican organizers.

If there is any gun play it will be planned.
 
Well, first off, just because that lady was an escort doesn't mean she was a hooker, which may have been the whole problem. These Clark Kents may have thought they had a sure thing and wanted their money's worth and felt they weren't getting it. And, if she was hooking, raping her is still illegal. No still means no. Hookers have the right to refuse service to anyone.
Anyone who's ever exited a cathouse while under fire can tell you that.
AFAIK, you can demonstrate with longarms in a parade format in NC. The BPs are very careful and methodical when it comes to putting together a demonstration. In fact, I'm pretty impressed with how much intestinal fortitude these cats have. You don't see a bunch of nerdy white guys with amber aviation shades protesting for the 2A with their weapons in hand.
I have respect for these guys. They have courage with their conviction, which is something a lot of people lack these days.
Of course, I don't agree with their politics or views, but I don't have to in order to admire their courage.
We had a young lady who was gang raped by a group of mexicans here in my town and the WP crowd were nowhere to be seen. Though I did hear a lot of grumbling from old men at the Waffle House.
The Black Panthers have truly shown that you can't just talk about it, you gotta be about it. Kudos to 'em.
 
I would be for arresting them for carrying firearms. To do so at a demonstration, especially one like the Duke instance, is meant to be threatening. It is meant to intimidate, and is the same as brandishing in my mind. No SA protection there.

Jerry
 
How is this possible? Did they not get arrested for that? Where is the BATFE and SWAT team to take them out for illegally brandishing weapons?

1) Because its possible they would shoot back.
2) Because it would make nice propeganda footage for the extremists.
3) Because its easier to spend that time raiding legal gun stores and harrassing non violent owners.

Its the same reason the ATF wont raid gang hideouts or tumble about the innercity looking in the spots where you know theres piles of illegal weapons exist. Why stick your neck out when you can meet the quota by camping gun shows?

If the NRA had a similar march the ATF would be all over it, simply because theres little chance for any legal gun owner to actually use his weapon or risk his rights by fighting against the government.

As far as gun rights go its a non event. Criminals, organized crime, hate mongers or other lawbreakers walking openly with guns is nothing new.
The rkba fuss is about letting your average law minding citizen have similar rights.
 
Yeah dude, direct causation. Open carry became illegal in CA because of that video footage and others like it. Most of the GC in this country is from the racial unrest in the mid-late 60s.
 
The New Black Panther Party representative I saw on Fox was making veiled threats against the community if the legal process didn't go the way he wanted. All I saw there was a warlord in the making, not a representative of free men with arms.

Amen:cool:



So guys, when are we going to march on some U.S. city fully armed with our parade permits for our Second Amendment rights?


I wouldn't mind showing off my gear and get to hang out with fellow gun owners!


Maybe we can demonstrate in some city for an 89 or 86 repeal!

Hey, I'm there! I got the perfect gun, a tacticool AR7 .22. It looks wicked on camera, it's just a cheap .22, and I wouldn't shed too many tears if it got confiscated. ROFL!
 
Just a point of view here. Criminals don't normaly go after the strong as they might get killed. To extrapolate this into America today we Americans don't stand up against those who challenge us. The Muslim terrorist bomb us, the illegals walk across our borders and our politicians sell out our country.

We don't stand up to anyone so what do you expect.

jj
 
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