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Okay, i checked out the jack reacher novels and while there was gunplay, boy was there stinky gun info. :cuss:

First off, not gun related. A MP gets more hand to hand etc combat training than special forces, rangers, force recon, delta force, etc etc? Because maybe you have to arrest those guys? yea, I don't buy that. Going so over the top with bragging about your credentials just makes a book seem less realistic to me. He would have been fine saying that as an MP, often having to subdue people, they had the opportunity to go to a lot of same training classes as elite group X.

for starters, wth? a desert eagle? turns out the gun was just cover for something else the deceased former detective left behind, but still, to me the DE is not a 'professionals' weapon. For a handgun it is too big for a handgun's only purpose, to be kept close at and handy. If you are going to keep a Deagle in your car, just in case, might as well toss a rifle in there. And no, I don't think jack reacher could consistantly stick one in his waistband and just walk around. Desert eagle = okay for movies because it is very visual. Desert eagle = okay for fun shooting at the range. I don't even think much of the Deagle for hunting or hunter backup. I think a standard 44 mag revolver is easier to shoot well thanks to the wonderful single action mode, is less clunky, and you can get one with a shorter barrel for backup, or a longer barrel for hunting...and not supercrazylong like some of the deagle add on barrels. Seems to me a truely professional shooter would choose a handgun in 45 acp, 10mm, 45 super and either go with a relatively standard sized handgun, be that a glock 20 (15 shots of 10mm!) a doublestack 1911 in 45 super, hell, a good old GI standard 1911 would be great too. You want something 'unusual' so it stands out because that is important for the story line? Mateba revolver in 44. Hell, a dan wesson with a bunch of barrels would stand out too.

Second, this town was apparently filled with magic shotguns err deathwands. People were on a hill, with some innocents in the middle, Reacher feared taht if the bad guy shot at him with the shotgun, the spread would kill all the innocent people in the middle. A ton of other supershotgun spread taking out roomfulls of people and knocking over schoolbusses and turning kids into communists.

Now, the whole plot was terribly full of wholes, because this supposed great method only before done on small scall so no one suspects it, has been done on all scales, and acedemics expert on it wouldn't 'forget' about it because of scale, and the easiest security feature to detect, which has been around for quite some time, is deigned SPECIFICALLY to defeat this technique.

For a few more details that would be spoilers, highlight below to read.
Okay the thing is a counterfitting ring. Rather than counterfit bills out of country and ship them in, they are gathering $1.00 to wash and reprint as $100s. Been done a thousand times. There is a metal strip in a bill with the denomination printed on it, and has been for a long time end.

Finally, I read the 'add' for the next book in the series. Apparently Jack Reacher is the one who decided that the USA military should go with beretta 92 as the standard sidearm over glock, even as a wet behind the ears newbie with zero knowledge of logistics, no medical knowledge in would pattern, not a gunsmith nor a ballistics expert, etc etc. Plus his reasoning makes no sense. Supposedly the beretta is more powerful, and to him that is important. WHAT?!?!? If power is important, then he should argue 'stick with the 45!' Further, how often to MPs shoot people? And if there is giong to be trouble, whip out that M-16 or shotgun, this is military police after all, both sides are going to have better than average skill and tools available. i sure as hell wouldn't want to carry just a handgun.

Further, he misses the oppurtunity to actually argue from the MP perspective that the beretta is better. The MP is about controlling our own troops, not killing the enemy. Hence they are going to have a greater need than any other troop type to hold a gun on someone and desire to NOT fire it, or to stop firing before a person is dead. Here's where a safty and a decocker can come in handy. Further, in the struggle for a gun, a safty being on is just one more step the opponent must overcome before he shoots you with your own gun, and an MP is much more likely to be in such a situation than a standard infantryman, tank commander, sniper, or whoever.

This guy seems like he knows just enough about guns, or takes the time to dig up just enough info about guns, to impress himself and his editor/publisher, but not actually accomplish a darned thing.
 
I read the first novel in the series several years ago (my wife is a librarian, so I get brought a lot of stuff when it comes out). I wasn't impressed by the story, the characters, or much of anything else. I thought the whole thing with the Desert Eagle was plain silly - somebody who had been a big city cop, as the late owner of the DE had been, would probably have gotten a .38/.357 revolver or a 9 mm semi (like a Glock).

I didn't read any of the later novels.

(PS - I didn't even remember the character's name, but your info about the Desert Eagle told me what book you were describing)
 
It is amazing how many authors don't know jack about what they are writing about. Stephen King doesn't know jack about guns and cars (a VAN with a 442 Hemi in the stand is the first that comes to mind). Of course, he does sell like hot-cakes, so who am I to judge?

I just wish more authors would resarch the lil' details a bit more. It is hard to get into a book when some guy pulls out his "auto-revolver" 2 inch stubby to hit the guy running away at 75 yards.

Really makes you appreciate our own Nightcrawler and Correia!
 
Writers know what they know.

And don't know what they don't. Just finished a Mickey Spillane--Mickey Spillane, for cripes' sake, if ANY author should know what he's talking about. But he has his protagonist, Mike Hammer, jack a shell into a 1911 (Spillane's terminology), and then cock the hammer!!!

Another favorite author, Nevada Barr, has her protagonist, Anna Pigeon, a National Parks enforcement Ranger, switch from a .357 revolver as her carry gun, to a 9mm autoloader, with no comment, no training, nor extra range time, no nothing. And Anna Pigeon gets into a lot of situations where she NEEDS her carry gun.

BTW, in one of the other Jack Reacher novels, One Shot, Jack Reacher, who is supposed to have won the military 1000-yd shooting competition one year, takes a sniper rifle sighted in by another shooter which rifle Reacher has never before handled, and puts a bullet through the exact center of an X made with a ball-point pen, at 300 yd, with his first shot out of that rifle!

I usually just shrug, ignore the glitch, as much as possible, and get on with the mystery. Even Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's characters (Holmes, and Watson, AND the official police detectives) sometimes carry a revolver--no holster--in their pants or coat pocket, yet when needed the revolver can be instantly produced, with never a hangup of the hammer on the pocket lining, to be "clapped to the head" of some miscreant. (Doyle's terminology)
 
F. Forsyth (Day of the Jackal, etc) usually has fairly accurate gun usage - but in The Odessa File, he had a man shot with a 9mm Parabellum PPK (bet that would kick).
 
I can forgive watson and holms 'pocketing' their guns. My understanding is that the pants of the day had very long pockets, and inside the suit type jacket were very long "chequebooke" pockets that would hold a gun just fine, not that different from the slim-jim holsters cowboys wore....and wasn't the old colt patterson famous for being able to fit nice inside basically the same suit-jacket pocket, and part of the reason it has that funky trigger, for a no snag pull from your coat?
 
You can just about carry a full-sized Gov't model concealed in the pocket of khaki pants. The grip protrudes a bit, but a normal suit jacket covers it up. Pocket carry's gone on for many years and worked. Watson and co. didn't have to haul car keys, wallets, and cell phones along in their pockets - so they'd have more room.
 
Try that with a .50 Desert Eagle. As a guy who paid 90's MSRP for one, I'm not going to slander the thing, but it's not exactly replacing the S&W J frame as a popular concealed carry piece. It's just the thing for when a herd of rabid Buffalo kick in the door and come up the stairs at 0330, and also for Leprichauns trying to steal your Lucky Charms.
I can't account for the interest in the Ithica 37 in 10 gauge, which... what, that one town bought all of them? So that's where they all went. :rolleyes:
I believe the author is a British citizen, which pretty much makes any writing involving modern firarms in America an excersise in pure theory and book research.
 
Have read all of the Lee Child Jack Reacher novels and liked them. Like almost all authors he gets his gun info wrong but hell it is a book. Most authors know really very little about guns so I dont expect everything to be absolutely correct although some errors do kinda glare at you. Want to see some real disinformation about guns, gun owners, gun stores and dealers, read some by Carl Hiaason.
 
I've read the first couple books. Actually picked them up because of reviews I read here! But, yes, the gun stuff is just bad. I was amused taht Big Bad Jack Reacher, 220lbs, 6'4, while shooting the Desert Eagle .44, nearly had his arm tore out of the socket from the recoil! LoL. And, yeah, the nuclear powered 10 ga shotgun of Ultimate Doom +3 was annoying too.

But, the story and the Reacher character were just interesting enough to keep me reading on my overnight stuck at a desk job. But, I only got about halfway through the second book. They're very .... light on the thinking, and that mixed with the bad gun info and the British slang words coming out of American characters meant I couldn't get immersed in them well enough to keep going with them.
 
Not only does Reacher fight better than any special forces combat veteran and know how to effectively handle every weapon up to but not limited to a thermonuclear warhead...he also is smarter than anyone else on the face of the planet.

Fairly lame novels, and yet I've read every one of them, and when I pick one up, I basically do not put it down until I finish. Go figure. I guess they are just a fun ride.

Stephen Hunter's Point of Impact was much better with better gun info and handling. The one about Bob the Nailer's dad in the a Louisana (Missisippi?) prison was pretty lame though.
 
I have a long commute and the best way to pass the time on the road is an audio book. I also read to put myself to sleep. I recently finished a Jack Reacher novel about a sniper killing five people at quitting time, as they come out of work. It's called One Shot. It will pass the time , but don't expect Pulitzer Prize material. I'm not a long gunner but some of you who are will no doubt have some thoughts about the long shots.

If you are interested in cop/mystery/thrillers I can recommend an author who has won a Pulitzer. His pen name is John Sandford. He has written a series of books centered on a character named Lucas Davenport. You can start anywhere in the series, but for the diehards get a list and start at the beginning, they just get better.

http://www.johnsandford.org/faq.html
 
+1 on Sandford and his "Prey" novels.

Also, Geronimo45, Fredrick Forsythe should not be spoken of lightly, his novel about a failed coup in Africa had details (equipment & personnel logistis, firefight descriptions) that were spooky real. They were; it was later revealed that this was about an actual coup he led in Africa.:what:
The first rule of writing is: "Write about what you know." I know, I've been doing it for 40 years.
Now, I must go into my amory and put new bullets into the clips for my automatic revolver. I hear the zombies approaching.:neener:
 
Gotta go with the Hunter and Clancy on this one. And as much as I like Jack Higgens someone should tell the man to update his tool box as well.
 
Factual gun stuff...

Well there's John Ross and Matt Bracken who managed to get the gun stuff right. It sure seems the rest of them can't be bothered to do their homework.

I've gotta order Matt's second book shortly... :)
 
I recently read the Jack Reacher novel, where he is an MP. Its one of the "later" Reacher novels, and its a "pre-quel" to the normal Reacher novels. In all the other novels, he is NOT an MP, he's an "ex-MP" and out of the service.

I've read most of them and I like them OK. They're not the best I've read, but pretty entertaining. I read a book for 3 or 4 nights of entertainment... not to pick apart under a microscope...

In the one where he gets stuck with a Desert Eagle, I remember he didn't particulary want it... he didn't think it was a particulary "practical" gun....

Novels are just entertainment... :)
bakert said:
read some by Carl Hiaason.
ha ha - he cracks me up, especially his early novels... entertaining stuff.
 
Bender, I may not agree with Hiaason on many things but nobody can deny his books(and the characters) are funny as hell. I've read most and always look for others at the library.
 
Lee Child shows off his UK roots.

But he's not bad. The novels are ok, but the thing that bugs me is what I call "Kwai Chang Reacher" with this silly walk-the-earth crap. The man's sole posession is a toothbrush? Come on!
Anyway, I like the books, and have read all ten of them. They are well written, But I could live without the tough guy nonsense. He tells a navy SEAL that he's bigger and stronger and could kcik his ass, and the SEAL backs down. Not bloody likely. I've never seen anyone in our beloved specwar community back down from ANY challenge, especially one-on-one combat.
I eagerly await Mr. Correia's book. We need a break from the usual fodder.
 
Which revolver?

Akodo & Geronimo--Watson's revolver was his "service revolver." That would make it one of those big awkward-looking Webleys, would it not? Or did British Army surgeons in the 1880's carry something else?

Doyle never identifies Holmes' revolver (except that it uses Boxer cartridges) nor those of the official detectives, Gregson, Lestrade, and Jones. So those firearms could be a smaller, slimmer item.

But in what sort of pocket could you handily carry Watson's big Webley??

Incidentally, Watson never practices with his carry gun, although Holmes does, with his, in their sitting room (much to Mrs. Hudson's distress, I imagine!)

Pocket clutter: Granted no cel 'phone, but a Victorian professional man would carry a wallet or billfold, visiting/business cards, coins (probably in a coin purse,) keys to his house, pocket watch, at the very least. Probably a penknife and a handkerchief as well. Doyle has Holmes carrying a notebook and pencil, a large magnifying glass, and a tape measure as tools of his trade. I believe Watson also carries a notebook. Holmes and Watson also sometimes carry a map, and train or performance tickets. So their pockets weren't exactly empty.
 
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Here's a shot of the Mark I Webley - around Watson's time of service. Apparently, the first models had 4in barrels - and later increased to 6in. Not too big - a rounded butt and barrel long enough to pick up some velocity.
 

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I've read one of the books with Jack Reacher...and I've got another on the shelf waiting for time to pick it up. That will likely be all I do of the series. By the time I need another book, there will be something else to think about.
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Akodo & Geronimo--Watson's revolver was his "service revolver." That would make it one of those big awkward-looking Webleys, would it not? Or did British Army surgeons in the 1880's carry something else?

Doyle never identifies Holmes' revolver (except that it uses Boxer cartridges) nor those of the official detectives, Gregson, Lestrade, and Jones. So those firearms could be a smaller, slimmer item.

But in what sort of pocket could you handily carry Watson's big Webley??


I happen to have a sister who minored in costume design for theater, so I have seen a LOT of period costumes with careful attention to detail, etc etc.

I tell you LONG DEEP POCKETS. Part of this was to slow down pick pockets. A suit-type jacket pocket on the inside may well be 12-18 inches deep. As coinage was still a major currency...paper too, but lots and lots of coinange, pockets were made pretty rugged.

Incidentally, Watson never practices with his carry gun, although Holmes does, with his, in their sitting room (much to Mrs. Hudson's distress, I imagine!)

Pocket clutter: Granted no cel 'phone, but a Victorian professional man would carry a wallet or billfold, visiting/business cards, coins (probably in a coin purse,) keys to his house, pocket watch, at the very least. Probably a penknife and a handkerchief as well. Doyle has Holmes carrying a notebook and pencil, a large magnifying glass, and a tape measure as tools of his trade. I believe Watson also carries a notebook. Holmes and Watson also sometimes carry a map, and train or performance tickets. So their pockets weren't exactly empty.

again, period outfits. you have 2 pockets on your trousers...not any back pockets, as wallet/billfolds were quite a bit larger, think regular sheet of typing paper folded in half, which would have your business cards and stuff. Your vest has a watch pocket on it your jacket has 2 large pockets on the inside or 1 large plus 2 smaller on the other side, plus two large external pockets on the lower jacket, plus one more for a hankerchief on the breast.

And that is every day where inside. Add to that an overcoat and you add probably 4 more if not 6 pockets to the equation.

Doctors where one of the few professions that didn't have enough pockets to carry all their stuff in, hence the medical bag.

We don't stuff those same pockets with stuff in our 'going to church suits' but there was a reason those pockets were around, and that is for piling stuff into, be it tape measures and notebooks or whatever
 
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