Why I HATE the NRA

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Do the NRA boosters have anything nasty to say about those of us who decide to back GOA?

I don't, as long as you don't back them when they attack the NRA as they sometimes do. If you're a GOA member and you see them doing that, let them know you don't like it.

We have enough problems without the 2 groups on each others throats.


.38 Special said:
I'm going to start sending the NRA $25 every time someone starts one of these threads. Call it my personal dumb*** tax.

Wow man, careful. You'll be broke Halloween.
 
EOTechRulesAll said:
...Do the NRA boosters have anything nasty to say about those of us who decide to back GOA?
Actually, I'm a member of GOA (as well as being a Patron Member of the NRA). I think that the more members more pro RTBA organizations have, the more traction we can get in the political arena.

I'm not sure that I've ever seen the GOA produce any significant political results. I tend to doubt that they have enough membership to have much impact on politicians. As I've said before, what pro gun forces say is a lot less important than how many of us there are.

Since it's all really a numbers game, the NRA is the primary player.
 
I think the original question was at base a question of does the end justify the means as far as the predatory way the NRA goes after its members for money.

Looks like the most vocal supporters feel that the end does justify the means, and not only that, but that anybody who feels differently should be scorned and ridiculed for feeling put upon by an organization that they would otherwise support.
 
I think the original question was at base a question of does the end justify the means as far as the predatory way the NRA goes after its members for money.

There was a question in there?

I didn't see any offer to debate or any questions in the OPs post.

You do bring up a valid point, one worth debating, but that's not what I saw happening here.

That would be a decent and possibly productive thread if it stayed on track.
 
38 Special-


If it was 1922 and you wanted to influence politicians you added your voice to the Klan.

Do you just jump onboard any organization because they are large and have clout, or do you associate with groups that you agree with and genuinely support?

I find myself agreeing with less and less of what the NRA does, with each passing day. I do not believe I can reconcile a number of my views with a number of the NRA's recent actions.

Would it better that I just betray myself and stay in the NRA for the sake of being with the "biggest and best club around" or should I do what I believe is right?
Couldn't quite bring yourself to a Godwin's law violation, eh? LOL.

No, if you really disagree with the NRA, then you shouldn't be a part of it -- although fundamentally disagreeing with the NRA puts you at odds with believing in second amendment rights, IMO.

But this thread hasn't been about fundamental disagreements with the NRA, it's been about throwing every law abiding gun owner in the country under the bus because you (or whomever) doesn't like junk mail.
 
Couldn't quite bring yourself to a Godwin's law violation, eh? LOL.

Would you accept "And if everyone jumped off a bridge would you do it too?" :)
 
Some guys are talking about the NRA being money-hungry. I just heard that they're going to spend $40 million on an ad campaign showing Obama's true colors with respect to the 2nd Amendment.

That money just doesn't come from nowhere. Add that to the millions they'll spend on lawsuits against un-Constitutional laws and you've got quite a hefty bill.
 
I have a big issue sending an organization money that tries to ride off of something they had nothing to do with.

I also don't want my money going to useless mailings.
 
also don't want my money going to useless mailings.

Ever seen the financials on those mass mailings?

They are not useless. They work. They generate much more cash than they cost. That's why so many groups use the tactic, and that's why it shouldn't be such a big deal to simply throw it in the trash if it doesn't apply to you.
 
I have a big issue sending an organization money that tries to ride off of something they had nothing to do with.

Again with the emotions. Get the facts why the NRA didn't back the case at the beginning.

Seriously guys, why are we fighting over the nation's largest group that supports the RKBA?
 
Find a friend and sign them up with the $25!
Done. And someone else here reminded me that I still need to sign my five-month-old up for the life membership.

Good job with the NRA bashing thread, boys. No membership drive would be as effective, I think.
 
I believe that the NRA is a sell-out organization that channels valuable resources and money into paths that ulitmately achieve very little.

They give ground, give ground, and give ground. Wars are seldom won by fighting defensive battle after defensive battle. Ultimately the fight must be taken to the enemy, and the NRA was VERY hesitant to do anything with Heller, only hopping on the ship when it was obvious victory was close at hand.

I'd say the NRA will ultimately do more harm than good, at least at this point in time, as they've had chance after chance to go after bogus laws, and they've just sad back on the sidelines and contented themselves to buying congressmen and handing elections to people such as Reagan, Bush 1, and Bush 2, under the most dubious claims that they were somehow going to do wonders for gun rights. Not that the opponents in those elections were any better, but you ought to know what I mean.

The NRA should have been learning from its mistakes from the 1980s onwards about throwing their support behind candidates who are clearly just using them for votes. The fact that they keep repeating the same mistakes would lead me to believe that they want to achieve the consequences of such actions. They are not mistakes but calculated moves.

The main thing that draws me to the GOA is they are a no-compromise gun rights organization.

I do not believe my rights are negotiable.

When dealing with a tyrant it ultimately boils down to "my freedom or your life" as the choice that is presented.
 
They give ground, give ground, and give ground.

Like in all the lawsuits they filed last week?

Like the one last year where they got the San Francisco handgun ban overturned? (along with SAF)

Like the New Orleans gun grab lawsuits, STILL underway?

Yeah, not much going on is there.......

Not that the opponents in those elections were any better, but you ought to know what I mean.

No. No I don't know what you mean at all. The opponents in every one of those elections were worse. On one hand you are complaining that the NRA doesn't do anything but yet you expect them to change a 2 party system into a 3 party system so a true pro gun candidate can be elected?
 
Ever seen the financials on those mass mailings?

They are not useless. They work. They generate much more cash than they cost. That's why so many groups use the tactic, and that's why it shouldn't be such a big deal to simply throw it in the trash if it doesn't apply to you.

Do you also agree with the NRA selling your personal info? It makes them money for the cause I guess.
 
I support groups that get things done, which is more than I can say for pretty much any other RKBA organization.
 
Picard said:
...The more we split up into smaller groups, the less of a voice we have...
I agree. We must stick together.

Niner said:
Looks like the most vocal supporters feel ...that anybody ...should be scorned and ridiculed for feeling put upon by an organization that they would otherwise support.
Oh, every time I get another piece of mail from the NRA, I feel put upon. But that doesn't keep me from supporting them. I think that a strong NRA is just too important.

The NRA frequently annoys, vexes and/or inconveniences me. But I'm not going to let my feeling keep me from doing what i believe to be right and important. As Dick Marcinko says, "You don't have to like it; you just have to do it."
 
Do you also agree with the NRA selling your personal info? It makes them money for the cause I guess.

Yes, it makes them money.

Oh, and they have the option to be left off of those, for the thousandth time. That is not a valid complaint since they offer an easy method to opt out of that entirely.
 
Like the one last year where they got the San Francisco handgun ban overturned? (along with SAF)


Practically speaking, because of what San Francisco is in terms of culture, a legal victory there means very little in terms of advancing the long-term interests of the Second Amendment across the nation.

Concealed carry in Wisconsin and Illinois would be more important victories. Likewise, the repeal of the 1986 FOPA Hughes provisions, the 1934 NFA, and the 1968 GCA.
 
I think all of the mods must be sleeping. If they saw this, this would have been locked on page 3.
 
Yes the NRA gives ground. Look at Michigan bills on registration.

The bills are Senate Bill 370 and House Bills 4490 and 4491.

All the bill does is get rid of backdoor registration and make it front door.

But the NRA says it's great for us!
 
Likewise, the repeal of the 1986 FOPA Hughes provisions, the 1934 NFA, and the 1968 GCA.

Which will take more than 4 million gun owners, which you're actively trying to keep from happening.

Numbers talk. You want to get the machinegun thing turned it's gonna take a louder voice than the current membership roll.

You're just grasping for things to be mad about with that one.
 
Like the New Orleans gun grab lawsuits, STILL underway?


It doesn't really matter what the law says, as rogue mayors and Blackwater mercenaries can and will kill you if you refuse to comply. If you manage to survive an encounter with such forces, you can always sue later and have a court order the return of your guns, good luck getting them back.

What the law says, and what politicians do, are quite often very different things. As far as I see it, there is no law needed to ban the confiscation of firearms in the time of a disaster as there is no governmental authority to confiscate firearms under any such circumstances.

Do we need to have the NRA lobby for a law stating we have a right to breathe air? Some things should just be a given...

Work towards getting certain politicians out of office, and keeping them and their ilk out. Passing more laws they will disobey, is really meaningless. It's a pointless exercise in wasting time and money.

Politicians are often just like criminals, they don't care about the laws.
 
EOTechRulesAll said:
...The main thing that draws me to the GOA is they are a no-compromise gun rights organization....
They might talk a good game, but what have they actually accomplished? It's easy to talk tough and bill yourself as hard hitting and "no-compromise" as long as you aren't really being held accountable for actually doing anything worthwhile.
 
The main thing that draws me to the GOA is they are a no-compromise gun rights organization.

Funny…just stumbled across Massad Ayoob’s blog and his article “Reflectons on Heller Part 1” yesterday, and the following quote comes to mind:
“the history of people who demand all or nothing is that they end up with…nothing.”

BTW…you can read the article at http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/
 
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