shotgunjoel
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Prince Yamato, thanks for pointing out that guns isn't all they do. But seriously, absinthe has been proven in recent years to be no more dangerous or otherwise different than any other alcohol.
so if your going 1 mph over the speed limit, you should not get a ticket? If not what about,2, 3, 4...?
where do you draw the line?
And lying is part of enforcing?They're enforcing the rules, not making them.
But in a way they're pro; just like the politicians are pro in a way . . . pro gun but so long as they're the only ones who have them.
I have no sympathy for the ideologies that either espoused. That still doesn't mean that I support the violent revocation of their rights as US citizens.And for the record, I've looked up both cases. I have little sympathy for the parties involved, save for the innocent children who were abused by the Davidians.
This is a bit of a fudge, IMO. Any regulatory agency has reasonably broad latitude in determining HOW to interpret the crappy language given to them from the legislature. Many, many changes in enforced law have been conducted via F Troop policy statement.They are, by definition a tax and regulatory agency. They enforce the laws, they don't make them.
Exactly so. It's not personal - it's their job. If there were no restrictions and no 'issues' - what would they do?The ATF is pro ATF. Usually that means they're for expanding their powers which usually means they're for reducing our freedoms.
Why must people always cite Ruby Ridge and Waco? I hate when people do this. You realize that the "victims" in both cases were primarily fundamentalist nut jobs? In one case, a cult, in the other a white supremacist. Standing up for those kinds of people does nothing for 2A and makes fence-sitters less sympathetic to us because they think to themselves, "oh see, they defend people like white supremacists... that's why I see all those Nazi daggers and flags at gun shows... gun owners really are a bunch of racists and weirdos."
Why must people always cite Ruby Ridge and Waco? I hate when people do this. You realize that the "victims" in both cases were primarily fundamentalist nut jobs? In one case, a cult, in the other a white supremacist. Standing up for those kinds of people does nothing for 2A and makes fence-sitters less sympathetic to us because they think to themselves, "oh see, they defend people like white supremacists... that's why I see all those Nazi daggers and flags at gun shows... gun owners really are a bunch of racists and weirdos."
They're enforcing the rules, not making them.
No. Regulation of Alcohol was transfered to the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau in 2003.I've only dealt with them on firearms matters. They also serve the function of making sure the liquor that comes into the country (like Absinthe) isn't cut with anti-freeze.
So, exactly what "laws" did the Black BATF agents "violate" that they had "problems" with them? Why did they have to file a Federal lawsuit for racial discrimination and harassment against the BATF to end these "problems"?The BATFE enforces regulations, it does not pass them. Do not violate any laws and you will not have any problems.
Pro or anti is not the right way to think about the ATF.