rifle prices/guns to Mexico

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I agree with the general principle that one should never accept statistics at face value but,...

If 60,000 rifles of AK-47 derivative types have been diverted to Mexico over the last couple years, is that enough to have raised the street price of these imports in the US? Or is the number of import rifles so high that it's not a problem?

Just by the by, Senator Schumer, of the firearm-hostile State of NY, has proposed an assault weapon import ban. I think this is more likely than a revival of the old AWB for a couple reasons. First, the AWB was a failure both in it's direct intentions (reduce the number semi-automatic rifles in private hands) and in it's justification (reduce gun deaths). There is really no reason for the gun-grabbers to waste their political capital on a revival. Second, it applies more directly to the AK-type (and other Russian/eastern european) rifles which are the most popular with gangs and druggies. Third, it appeals to the trade-barrier mentality of the left.
 
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I agree with the general principle that one should never accept statistics at face value but,...

Agreed. They are already backpedalling on this one.

They are now saying, after being caught in a lie, the following:

It does mean the percentage of traceable weapons linked to a U.S. source. And, again, that total is 5,114 out of 29,000 -- or 17.6 percent -- in the years 2007 and 2008.

They just make it up as they go :)
 
On that subject matter... If you have a pocket full of money and live between the U.S. and Central America, where could you get the most bang for your buck? An AK for three hundred dollars here or 5 AK's for a total of three hundred in Central America? I'm having a hard time beleiving that the Mexican cartel is buying weapons here. In Africa an AK cost $5.00 dollars.
 
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That's what I have always wondered. Another thing of course is that many of these guys are Mexican Army deserters...they walk away with their full-auto M-16s. These guys are smugglers and have contacts all over the world...why would they sneak AK clones over the border a few at a time? They're bringing Cocaine into Mexico by the ton...how about a ton of AK-47s or old Vietnam era M-16s?

I presume that some of these narco guys want good handguns and maybe a few of those are coming south but I really cannot do the math to make smuggling AKs and such south come out right. If it were me and I were living that life, I'd throw 100 top of the line 1911s or Glocks into the ocean to get my hands on one old M-16 or AK-47 so I am not sure even my handgun suggestion holds much water.
 
I am a little curious about the AK's that have supposedly found their way from the US to Mexico.

I may be misinformed, but I thought that the AK's and many other weapons found in Mexico and attributed to US sources were full auto. I didn't think that we could buy full auto, and that the new assault type weapons could not be converted to full auto.

Please explain.
 
I may be misinformed, but I thought that the AK's and many other weapons found in Mexico and attributed to US sources were full auto. I didn't think that we could buy full auto, and that the new assault type weapons could not be converted to full auto.

Please explain.

That's the political trick.

Many of the M16's found in Mexico ARE full auto and they DID come from the US.

Problem is they were legally sold to the Mexican government, which then lost them.

But, when the politicos quote the number of "guns from the US" they include those to make it sound worse than it is. And it is technically the truth, those full auto guns DID come from the US, through the Department of Defense :)
 
But, when the politicos quote the number of "guns from the US" they include those to make it sound worse than it is...

On Washington Week, one reporter quoted the 90% number, and another reporter challenged him. The first reporter then said when the Justice Dept was asked about it, they said they meant "90% of the guns recovered to the US."

I assume they meant the same thing that is usually reported more like "that the Mexican government asked the US government to trace."
 
On Washington Week, one reporter quoted the 90% number, and another reporter challenged him. The first reporter then said when the Justice Dept was asked about it, they said they meant "90% of the guns recovered to the US."

Yes, 90% of the guns that were traceable came from the US.

That's doublespeak since many of the guns are not traceable, like the rocket launchers and full auto AKs from other sources.

Where it wound up at was that 17.6 percent of the guns came from the US. But, they won't say how many of those came through legal exports like M16s sold to the military etc.

There are people that legally export firearms to Mexico all the time so the actual number of guns illegally transported across the border has to be much smaller than 17.6% of the total.

So take a realistic guess and say 10% of the guns confiscated in Mexico came in illegally. OK, that's bad and the Mexican government should do more to secure it's border.

However, is it really believable that the violence over there would go away of there was a 10% decrease in the number of guns?

This whole thing is goofball and fuzzy math and flat out dishonesty.
 
TexasRifleman your right... Lou Dobbs had this issue on his show tonight. It's that Paul Begala - James Carville slant again... Remember , "What is, is". 90% of the recovered weapons. The FBI report stated that the "RECOVERED" meaning was different. So after listening to the BLAH, BLAH, BLAH B.S. it was discovered that 90% of the recovered weapons that had U.S. serial numbers was a total of 90%. I ask, 90% of what... 10, 100, 1000????? So some how the 90% recovered weapons was dropped to 17% of the total recovery from here.
 
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And The Even Funnier Part Of This....

NRA news last week reported that the majority of firearms traced to have come from the US were from California, the state with the most strict gun laws in that part of the US.

I know what they came up here to buy, they must not have been able to get Hi Point to ship South of the border.
 
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