DelayedReaction
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I don't see this ending well at all. Americans don't take lightly to threats, especially from criminals.
Mexico threatens MinuteMan Project....
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dasmi
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Living 30 minutes from the border, and working within sight of it, in a rural area, without any real police presence, I'm suddenly inclinded to purchase more guns.
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Jim Diver
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Looks like this is gonna get real ugly.
nico
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it definitely looks like it's going to get ugly. I just hope the Minuteman folks have the common sense to arm themselves. The thing that bugs me the most about this whole thing (besides the utter disrespect for Americans and this country shown by the 
who wrote that article), is that the Minuteman Project made a big deal to say that they weren't trying to confront anyone and that they were just going to document people coming into the country illegally.
who wrote that article), is that the Minuteman Project made a big deal to say that they weren't trying to confront anyone and that they were just going to document people coming into the country illegally.
jnojr
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The answer? Be loud. "What's that? You want us to leave? How about the illegal alianes right over there? Are you saying that tax-paying American citizens are not welcome on your property, but foreign criminals are? Is that correct? Maybe the newspapers will be interested in your position"
jnojr
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DRZinn
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dasmi
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heisler, wanting to put the interests of America before those of other countries does not in any way make me a racist.
Certainly not. But, some people have very interesting views of what an American actually is. What about Americans that happen to be from other countries? There are a LOT of perfectly legal resident aliens and citizens who originated from Mexico, and of course there are plenty of illegals as well. Can you identify which is which based on sight in front of the hardware store?
Jim Diver
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It is safe to say that the vast majority of the people in front of the hardware store looking for work are illegals. Legal residents do not look for work in this manner. It's unsafe to just jump into a truck to be driven to god knows where by anyone.
Legal aliens would not risk looking for work like this as they would be working under the table and risking getting deported for tax evasion.
dasmi
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My statement about an America First party to which heisler was replying said nothing whatsoever about illegals, or Americans from other countries. I simply said I would join, and support, an America First party. Yes, Americans can be from countries other than America. That's a given. My family came here from Ireland and Switzerland at the turn of the century. I have no problem with immigration. I have a problem with ILLEGALS from any country.
Really? Back in my younger years i did a LOT of day labor in a very similar manner during the summers off from school. And yes, I got paid cash and ultimately made quite a bit more than I would have flipping burgers. Plus I learned how to do a lot of stuff that I otherwise wouldnt have. Most of the people I worked with were either students like me, starving artists, or homeless people who were above panhandling.
Despite common belief it is NOT in any way illegal to work for cash. Private citizens may employ people to do work for them and they do not have to withhold income tax, nor do they even have to report it (i bet you don't withhold or report the money you pay to the kid who mows your lawn or babysits your children). It is the obligation of the employee to report this tax. Noncompliance with that rule is the practice of the vast majority (i never reported my lawn-mowing income when i was 12 either) and the fact is that the IRS would have to dedicate outrageous amounts of work to detect or presecute unreported income of this nature, they normally don't bother unless they have a reason.
Also, it is a misconception that permanent resident aliens get deported for petty crimes, it's not true. They enjoy the same constitutional protections as everyone else and are rarely deported.
longeyes
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Want to know who's illegal? Legal immigrants are supposed to have attained some fluency in English. I suggest doing a five-minute English fluency test on the mean streets of Los Angeles. Pop by Costco on Los Feliz Blvd. and see how much English you hear spoken by young and middle-aged people there. I think you'll be surprised to realize how few English speakers there are. The gates are wide open, for better or worse, and no one is afraid any more, not here anyway, of seeming "foreign."
I don't think anyone on this board is opposed to legal immigration but few of us don't grasp the immigration problem has reached critical mass and is primed for explosion. It is just part of the more general problem: the sense that our country is being stolen from us, day by day, by the wealthy elites and people who have learned to scam the system, whether they be attorneys or welfare cheats. Yeah, people are getting mad as hell and how long they will take it is anyone's guess.
I don't think anyone on this board is opposed to legal immigration but few of us don't grasp the immigration problem has reached critical mass and is primed for explosion. It is just part of the more general problem: the sense that our country is being stolen from us, day by day, by the wealthy elites and people who have learned to scam the system, whether they be attorneys or welfare cheats. Yeah, people are getting mad as hell and how long they will take it is anyone's guess.
Daedalus
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If a pack of foreign gangsters spill the blood of American citizen patriots on American soil there is going to be a war on those thugs like they would not believe.
dasmi
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I'm with you. I truly hope it does not reach that point, but if it does, so be it.
Bear Gulch
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Seems like we could offer a bounty for each illegal turned in to the BP in a healthy condition, say $25. Bounty hunters would have to pass a basic 10 hour block of instruction. I guaratee you that the market forces would cut into the number of illegals quickly. The second phase of the plan would be to quit paying able bodied folks in this country to not work. That would take care of the, "we can't get Americans to do this work", argument.
dasmi
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I'm not proposing any specific response at this time. I'm also not proposing a civilian response, unless the Government fails to respond to any violence done to the Minute Men.
Daedalus
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No I think after they do something to murder law abiding US citizens inside the US the government would be obligated to move them to isolation somewhere like GITMO so they cannot coordinate terrorist activities within the United States. Their organization should get some time in the same hot seat Al Qaeda is in now.
Sindawe
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Which it probably will not do. I mean, come on, ICE can't even be troubled to come pick up illegals ALREADY in custody...
Source: http://www.vdare.com/blog/index.htm
...you really think the .gov is gonna act against ARMED CRIMMINALS here in the U.S.? Oh, wait, I should not call them CRIMMINALS, might hurt their feelings and insult their pride. I should call them "Undocumented immigrants" :banghead:
Would somebody please tell me again why we pay taxes to the Fed .gov? It can't be to control the borders....
Bear Gulch
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I guess that we need to wake up and look at those segments of the La Raza community that think the Southwestern US is theirs and want to set up Atzlan. Seems like that meets the description of domestic terrorism to me.
Why do a number of us want more 'legal' immigration? Because our legal immigration laws are messed up. There's obviously a market in the USA for unskilled labor, yet we only want 'skilled' immigrants. Heck, unskilled labor has been the backbone of this country for years. The trick is, they tend to not stay unskilled, if you know what I mean.
By allowing legal immigration of unskilled labor, you encourage the law-abiding to immigrate, and don't have the initial breaking of the law to desensitize them to breaking the law, the fear of deportation if they report crime(IE if they aren't further criminals, they're easier victims). We can track and tax them. As they come over teach them about minimum wage, so they aren't exploited as such(they get the same deal as an American would).
Then turn around and militarize the border. Including deep penetrating radar, as they're finding mile long tunnels. A couple days ago they had an article on TV where the tunnel had: concrete floor, wood siding, ventilation, power, and communication lines run.
By liberalizing drug and immigration policies, we create a legal competitor to these trades, which will reduce the profit margin for supporting these activities. As one lady on the news put it "illegal immigrants are not terrorists". Well, maybe not most of them, but they provide another source of entry for them. Come to think of it, the terrorists lied on a number of forms, so pretty much by definition they were illegal immigrants.
One source for the tunnel
By allowing legal immigration of unskilled labor, you encourage the law-abiding to immigrate, and don't have the initial breaking of the law to desensitize them to breaking the law, the fear of deportation if they report crime(IE if they aren't further criminals, they're easier victims). We can track and tax them. As they come over teach them about minimum wage, so they aren't exploited as such(they get the same deal as an American would).
Then turn around and militarize the border. Including deep penetrating radar, as they're finding mile long tunnels. A couple days ago they had an article on TV where the tunnel had: concrete floor, wood siding, ventilation, power, and communication lines run.
By liberalizing drug and immigration policies, we create a legal competitor to these trades, which will reduce the profit margin for supporting these activities. As one lady on the news put it "illegal immigrants are not terrorists". Well, maybe not most of them, but they provide another source of entry for them. Come to think of it, the terrorists lied on a number of forms, so pretty much by definition they were illegal immigrants.
One source for the tunnel
then,
I don’t know a whole lot of specifics of what is going on out in AZ, or about ICE’s refusal to pick up wets, but I would caution you to consider the entire situation. I know full well that ICE “refuses†to come pick up wets on various occasions, but I also know that plenty of those times that they refuse to, they don’t have the resources to do so. No detention space available, no manpower to transport them, etc, etc. I’m not trying to justify it, just trying to explain that there is a much bigger problem (overall resources) than a first, uninformed, glance might suggest.
Now, as to the situation with the Mara’s: MS-13 is one hell of a gang…in Central America. As a gang, they have done all those things the article mentions and more. Just recently they blew up (or shot up, I can’t remember for sure) a bus full of innocent civilians, killing something like 30 men, women, and children. Members of Mara have no conscience, no morals, and are completely desensitized to violence. That said, they haven’t had much luck establishing a strangle hold on things here in America like they have in Central America. I won’t bother giving you my personal opinion on why that is, suffice it to say that they haven’t. Now, with all that said, believe you me when I say that “the .gov†is extremely interested in dealing with the Mara Salvatrucha gang. The BP alone is more than prepared to deal with them, and is doing so. As Mara attempts to take over control of various portions of the border (from the Mexican side, to control what crosses in “their territoryâ€), the crackdown on known or even suspected members of Mara that are crossing illegal aliens is substantial.
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