Mexico threatens MinuteMan Project....

[Yooper]

Now, let me get this straight, the Mexican Foreign Secretary is going to interpret U.S law to U.S citizens and imply a threat of some magnitude? I've said it before and I'll say it again, the real problem is with Mexico, not just with Mexicans.

 

[wingman]

No detention space available, no manpower to transport them, etc, etc.

Ahenry is correct on this not enough detention space. OTM's(other then
mexican) are turned loose with orders to show up in court, guess what
most never do, therefore the very worse illegals are set free in the streets.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the real problem is with Mexico, not just with Mexicans.

Correct it's not the citizens of Mexico(for the most part) but our government
also fails do much because the wealthy want a subsidized work force. In the
end our working poor and average joe taxpayer is the loser in this game.

 

[Old Fuff]

>> I also know that plenty of those times that they (Border Patrol) refuse to, they don’t have the resources to do so. No detention space available, no manpower to transport them, etc, etc. I’m not trying to justify it, just trying to explain that there is a much bigger problem (overall resources) than a first, uninformed, glance might suggest. <<

It will not come as news to you, or at least I don't think it will, that the situation here in Arizona is exactaly the same as it is in Texas.

 

[Sean Hofhine]

From the pages of the afternoon fish wrapper in Tucson:


900 border watchers now expected
Claudine LoMonaco
Citizen Staff Writer

By CLAUDINE LoMONACO
[email protected]

Nearly twice as many people as originally planned are expected to converge on Cochise County next month for a volunteer border patrol, organizers of the upcoming Minuteman Project said yesterday.

Almost 900 volunteers have signed up for the program so far, said project organizer Jim Gilchrist, a retired California accountant and a Vietnam veteran. The project had initially hoped to recruit 500.

"I'm elated to see that so many people are willing to come out," Gilchrist said.

Minuteman Project volunteers plan to conduct round-the-clock patrols in the San Pedro Valley, a popular smuggling corridor, during April, when the tide of immigrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico border peaks.

Organizers say they plan to call the U.S. Border Patrol if they find illegal immigrants.

Douglas Mayor Ray Borane doubts the group's volunteer estimates.

Actual turnout for similar events "always turns out to be much lower than their predictions," he said.

But Borane is concerned about the types of people the project will attract, especially openly racist groups that have shown interest in the project.

"How are they going to screen these people?" he asked. "They won't know who they are, and they won't be able to control them."

The Border Patrol has voiced concern as well.

"It's not safe for agents, residents or their own safety," said Tucson sector Border Patrol Chief Mike Nicley. "Border Patrol does not condone this kind of activity and does not need this kind of help."

Organizers had capped enrollment at 700 earlier in the week for fear of overwhelming Tombstone, the small town and tourist attraction that will serve as a base for many of the volunteers.

"But then we thought it would be great for Tombstone," Gilchrist said. "Businesses will love it."

Tombstone Councilman Bill Barlow views each volunteer as a potential tourist helping to fill the town's 150 hotel rooms.

"We welcome them," he said. "We don't anticipate any problems."
END


Kinda scary when I see the BP sector chief say things like "Border Patrol does not condone this kind of activity and does not need this kind of help." Really, when did anyone NEED the BP to condone assembly by citizens of the USA. If Thomas Jefferson could see this, he's probably smile, knowing this was what he wanted to happen when government forgets they serve the people, not the other way around. I didn't want to go down at first but I'll probably head down that way just to drop a few bucks in the town too tough to die.

 

[gunsmith]

I like Jim's idea

photo graph and publish names of folks who hire illegals.
Lot's of Americans of Mexican heritage are against illegal immigration,like my girlfriend...make them legal? like the illegal alien (from Mexico)
who kidnapped and raped a 9yr old (latina) girl in San Jose or the otm's
who crashed planes into WTC?

 

[pete f]

deport them by what ever means works.

put them in a boat and drag them past the legal limit and let them float


ship them out in semi trailers with a bucket and vents.

mine the rio grande, and inform the Mex Gov't that it is not going to be a few under armed texans in an old church this time. But a bunch of ANG and USAF dudes dropping big boomie things on Downtown Mex city if they keep it up. not hard thing to understand really, if Mexico city threatens US then Mexico City Burns

 

[Nightfall]

"Border Patrol does not condone this kind of activity and does not need this kind of help."

BS. You do need help because BP ain't gettin' the job done.

 

[Antjo]

What if a few of us took some time off in the morning to be in the area of the illegals, armed with cameras and signs that read "Do not hire illegals. You will be photographed!"? Photos of the offender, his/her license plate, and company logo would be taken and posted to a web site along with contact information for the comapny they represent.

That is an awesome idea.

If I had time I would help with keeping out Illegal Immigrants in Arizona. I have nothing against Mexicans, many are my friends, and I even have family living in Mexico. However, it has to stop, this country is having a difficult time w/ jobs as it is, and these people are deliberately breaking the law. Mexico has no right to threaten us! I seem to remeber a certain time when Mexico went to war w/ us and we took more than half of their damn country.
If Mexico is going to cast threats, I would carry firearms too, not to use on all Illegals, but definitely the ones who think they can shoot at me in my own country.

 

[Art Eatman]

Aw, Antjo, the Mexicans are just mad 'cause we got the best part of Mexico.

We got the part with the paved roads.

, Art

 

[13A]

Question: What is the third most populous country in the world?

Answer: USA

Question: What developed country has the most lax attitude towards illegal immigration in the world?

Answer: USA

 

[ALS]

April: Shooting War with Mexico?

I was reading on another site about the very real possibility of a shooting war to develop along the Mexico Border, perhaps as early as next month! The possibility arises because of four colliding interests. First, the Bush Administration, which has talked a good game, has failed to deliver promised resources for Border Patrol, which means our southern border still leaks like a sieve. The CIA estimates are that 1,400 people a day are streaming into the U.S. The second interest group is the Minuteman Project http://www.minutemanproject.com/, a group of American Patriots who are planning to deploy civilians observers along the Arizona border starting April 1 to act as spotters and observers to augment the understaffed (and outgunned) Border Patrol. Third, we have the Vincente Fox administration of Mexico actively promoting Reconquista - the taking back of the American Southwest. The fourth and most dangerous component is drug gang MS-13, Mara Salvatrucha, which reportedly has put a bounty on the volunteers who will be out helping Border Patrol.

 

[Sportcat]

Can we get the Million Mom March to help disarm the MS-13?

 

[Third_Rail]

MS-13, Mara Salvatrucha, which reportedly has put a bounty on the volunteer

I heard that too... hopefully it isn't true. If it is, open war along the border isn't too far off.

 

[SB88LX]

If MS13 takes any shots at any minuteman, whose up for heading to LA for indiscriminate elimination of MS13 trash? They want war, they'll get it.

 

[Art Eatman]

Third_Rail, it often helps to read the entire thread.

Page 2, Post #44.

Art

 

[cory]

SB88LX: um, I live in L.A., and we really don't need anyone coming here to eliminate anyone. Let's find a solution that doesn't involve whacking anybody, hmmm?

 

[nico]

If MS13 takes any shots at any minuteman, whose up for heading to LA for indiscriminate elimination of MS13 trash? They want war, they'll get it.

you could just go to Montgomery County or Northern VA. There's plenty of them there.

 

[richyoung]

"Despite common belief it is NOT in any way illegal to work for cash. Private citizens may employ people to do work for them and they do not have to withhold income tax, nor do they even have to report it (i bet you don't withhold or report the money you pay to the kid who mows your lawn or babysits your children). It is the obligation of the employee to report this tax. Noncompliance with that rule is the practice of the vast majority (i never reported my lawn-mowing income when i was 12 either) and the fact is that the IRS would have to dedicate outrageous amounts of work to detect or presecute unreported income of this nature, they normally don't bother unless they have a reason."

Uh - you REALLY need to check your facts before you type. See, unless you make above a certain amount, (for practical purposes, I think it's about $7,000 Adjusted Gross Income - which boils down to over $10,000 actual gross), you don't owe ANY taxes, and if you don't OWE, there is no requirement to file, or report income. So unless your baby sitter had a lot of clients and charged out the wazoo, or you were actually operating a full-fledged lawn service, what you said doesn't apply - not to mention that these are BUSINESSES, not INDIVIDUALS, that hiring these illegals.

 

[Sean Hofhine]

Uh - you REALLY need to check your facts before you type. See, unless you make above a certain amount, (for practical purposes, I think it's about $7,000 Adjusted Gross Income - which boils down to over $10,000 actual gross), you don't owe ANY taxes, and if you don't OWE, there is no requirement to file, or report income.

I don't want to point out the BLATANTLY obvious to someone with such a vast knowledge of the tax code, but the last I looked, F.I.C.A. (Both the employer and employee portion) and Medicare taxes (again, both halves) are levied starting at dollar number one for people with real jobs. Unfortunately, I'm one of those poor schmucks who goes to work every day and watches what cheap labor has done to wages in southern AZ. That and the fact that conservative estimates have put the cost of illegal immegration (medical care, schools,welfare and such) at well over 2 billion a year in AZ alone. I didn't see where your from, and don't really care, but if you don't see the damage firsthand, I'm really not sure you can appreciate it.
I'm sure you think it's no big deal if you go down and hire some import to do a little gardening, but what happens here is people are not hiring LICENCED contractors, like they did in the good old days, to do block walls, sidewalks, recoating roofs, drywall jobs etc. It's all fine and dandy until some jackass defends everyone's God-given right to do this, and the people like myself, who do it all good and legal, yes reference above mentioned payroll taxes, licencing, insurance, property taxes, health/dental insurance for the folks who work here, oh yeah, then you have to buy equipment, maintain it, fuel it, pay workman's comp, put some money into pension................

Yeah, maybe you're right I should just go down and hire those guys and pay each of them less than 7K a year and save myself the headache.

Then we'd have the makings of an economy sliding down the S...hole

Just an opinion

 

[Antjo]

If United States citizens started dying on our own soil, I doubt very much that we would have to get involved. I would hope not anyway. However, if nothing was being done, then I would probably have to lend a hand.

 

[Evil_Ed]

um, I live in L.A., and we really don't need anyone coming here to eliminate anyone. Let's find a solution that doesn't involve whacking anybody, hmmm?

Corey,
While I agree that "whacking" people is not really a great answer you might want to look at what he is advocating again. He wasn't talking about fighting it out with illegal aliens, he was talking about fighting it out with MS13 which is a particularly ciolent and thugish group/gang that makes the mafia look like good little choir boys. Kind of a scary group and I wouldn't have any problem with the Minutemen group returning fire when/if attacked by those thugs.

SB88LX,
MS13 is spread throughout many major metropolitan areas in the United States, it's not just a small group in LA. They have a large presence in many urban areas and are an extremely violent group (there have even been a few national media reports and news programs detailing the threat, if the MSM notices then you know it must be big).

 

[cory]

you wrote:
Corey,
While I agree that "whacking" people is not really a great answer you might want to look at what he is advocating again. He wasn't talking about fighting it out with illegal aliens, he was talking about fighting it out with MS13 which is a particularly ciolent and thugish group/gang that makes the mafia look like good little choir boys. Kind of a scary group and I wouldn't have any problem with the Minutemen group returning fire when/if attacked by those thugs.

In his post, he said come to L.A.(not arizona) to deal indiscriminately with MS13. Whether it's MS13 or illegals, you can't just come into a city and start shooting anyone who you think may be an MS13 member. From a legal standpoint, it's murder/attempted murder; if you shoot at people, they shoot back, so some of you guys will die; innocent bystanders will die in potential crossfires; and who here has enough knowledge of gangs to differentiate between MS13, and any other gang? Reading about it on the internet doesn't give you the info you'd need. Plus, it's just a nutty idea.

 

[SB88LX]

L.A. is where they were founded, so I assumed to some extent thats where the big wigs of MS13 would reside. Anyway, I wasn't being serious (for the most part) in making my comment. If it came to the point of MS13 actively killing minutemen to defend their illegal gun/alien/drug smuggling, I wouldn't object to someone observing known MS13 members, identifying who the rest of their gang is, and taking action.

 

[Dionysusigma]

Kinda like with the Taliban, the Iraqi insurgents, etc.?

It looks like there is going to be a "showdown at OK corral" on April 1st in Tombstone, Arizona. A high level leader of the Mara Salvatruchas, Ebner Anivel Rivera-Paz, has issued orders, from federal prison, to members of his extremely violent organization to teach the Minutemen vigilantes a lesson they will never forget, La Voz de Aztlan has learned.

...There is a good probability that very few cowardly Minutemen
vigilantes will show up on April 1st in Tombstone, Arizona. The
principal imbeciles organizing the event are known to be mere
loudmouths. The morons think that they will be just having "some fun
in the sun" hunting down defenseless Mexican migrant workers but
instead may meet up with the devil himself. Satan has a very warped
sense of humor and April 1st would be an excellent day to express it.

Thing is, if what MS-13 is threatening through La Voz de Aztlan does come to pass, I'm afraid U.S. citizens won't wait for the .gov to do something about it. The punchline "I'm looking for the man who shot my Paw" comes to mind.

Look how many people signed up with the various military branches after 9/11. Remember the huge display of patriotism (which seems to be dwindling again) after that same event? Remember how many people went out of their way to help those they'd never met before?

 

[spartacus2002]

Thing is, if what MS-13 is threatening through La Voz de Aztlan does come to pass, I'm afraid U.S. citizens won't wait for the .gov to do something about it.

....and action against La Voz De Aztlan won't be far behind, either.