Creating a stash of ammunition in common calibers
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kozak6 said:
Can the attitude, please.
I have batteries. And flashlights. And as many first aid supplies as I have the knowledge to use. And over 100 gallons of potable water. And a Berkey counter top gravity fed filter with the black elements. And a katadyn hiker pro. And nonperishable food. I AM preparing for disaster. I have everything you just listed and then some. And obsessing? Please. I think you're obsessing over my can of ammunition more than I am.
David E said:
David E, it seems that you, and a LOT of other posters, would do well to take a step back and stop making assumptions that lead to insulting other people.
The home he came from was full of gun owners and what I would call casual shooters. He didn't sock away ammunition in his bedroom when he left for active duty in the Marine Corps. His fiance got a job out in a different state while he was away. As soon as he got back he grabbed as much stuff as he could get into a U-Haul and moved. He didn't take ammunition with the guns, in part, because to him it would have felt like taking his family's ammunition, as it wasn't really HIS and his alone.
Once in the new state he had a lot of things to do. Unpack. Move in. See his fiance he hadn't for however long. Running out to buy ammo wasn't at the very top of the list.
On top of all of that his fiance, unfortunately, was kind of afraid of guns and really didn't even want them there at all. He took one step at a time, and started with bringing the empty guns. As it happens I did gift him a few boxes of 12 gauge shells on his birthday, once I knew the full story. His fiance wasn't thrilled with it, but the ammo stayed.
So please, everybody is different. Different people have different circumstances and, *gasp*, it IS possible for a person who is not an idiot to be found without a gun and ammunition.
PS: If you fast forward to today the now-wife has her 'CCW' and, I believe, her own gun(s).
Rail Driver
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Personally, as long as you've got a stock of 9mm, .40s&w, .45ACP, and .38sp you've covered the most common pistols you're going to encounter in ANY situation, not just a "fecal matter striking the impeller" situation - As to rifle calibers, stick to the hunting calibers along with 5.56 and 7.62x39 - you'll find more of those types of rifles to be common than the more esoteric milsurp calibers you have listed in your "on the list to acquire". *Edit to add - some of the calibers you listed, you may NEVER come across a firearm that uses them, especially in a SHTF scenario (which we don't discuss here unless people creatively word their titles and initial posts as you did)
Also, it doesn't make much sense to stock ammo you don't have a firearm for *unless you have firm plans to acquire a firearm in that caliber* - Stocking ammo for guns you don't have is no different than burning cash in the fireplace instead of the pile of wood sitting next to it.
If you're looking to arm up the neighbors, buy a crate of Mosin/Nagants and a few cases of x54r ammo - that way you can not only hand them some ammunition, but a firearm that you know is safe to use - If it came down to you giving someone some ammo and they shot it resulting in a malfunction either of their gun or the ammo, you'll be blamed for it regardless (haven't you noticed that it's always someone else's fault when things go wrong?). In a national disaster situation, there will be legal repercussions to deal with when things get back to "normal" - in a "end of the world" type scenario, the repercussions will likely be much more immediate and final.
Also, it doesn't make much sense to stock ammo you don't have a firearm for *unless you have firm plans to acquire a firearm in that caliber* - Stocking ammo for guns you don't have is no different than burning cash in the fireplace instead of the pile of wood sitting next to it.
If you're looking to arm up the neighbors, buy a crate of Mosin/Nagants and a few cases of x54r ammo - that way you can not only hand them some ammunition, but a firearm that you know is safe to use - If it came down to you giving someone some ammo and they shot it resulting in a malfunction either of their gun or the ammo, you'll be blamed for it regardless (haven't you noticed that it's always someone else's fault when things go wrong?). In a national disaster situation, there will be legal repercussions to deal with when things get back to "normal" - in a "end of the world" type scenario, the repercussions will likely be much more immediate and final.
Sgt R said:
I'm pretty sure I don't have any obscure military calibers. I am sure I listed some in the potential acquisition section, but I don't actually have any.
Also, I don't know about your definition of "stocking up", but I do not consider a single box of ammunition to be "stocking up". That's all any one caliber for the box is to be. One box or one package or what small-size-unit.
Rail Driver said:
I find it kind of funny that you believe giving somebody a gun + ammunition has less legal liability than giving them ammunition alone. (and not reloads)
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You didn't buy ammo before leaving the area that you knew where the "ammo stores" were, then traveled 1/2 way across the country and didn't see a single Wal-Mart??
If I keep a gun for defense, I get ammo for it, ASAP. I do not rely upon the charity of others for my ammo needs.
YMMV
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What is this "relying on" others? Who said the friends or neighbors were "expecting" me to give them something, or "relying" on me to give them something? Where are you guys getting this?
It seems that the majority of the posts are nothing but detractors making straw man arguments/assumptions upon which they can call people without ammunition idiots or assume that I do not have this, that, or the other because, well, I don't know why. Next thing you know I am going to be accused of not having any guns of my own simply because I did not say that I did.
Please, no more posts that make assumptions. If it's that important to your point, ask first, don't assume
It seems that the majority of the posts are nothing but detractors making straw man arguments/assumptions upon which they can call people without ammunition idiots or assume that I do not have this, that, or the other because, well, I don't know why. Next thing you know I am going to be accused of not having any guns of my own simply because I did not say that I did.
Please, no more posts that make assumptions. If it's that important to your point, ask first, don't assume
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Captains1911
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Whether they are "relying" on you or not, you are collecting ammo, some in odd calibers, for people too incompetent to stock their own. It's just very strange and hard for many of us to understand. If you're not willing to hear opinions, don't post, otherwise this is the interweb and the nature of it.
I am willing to hear opinions about what I am doing.
But I am tired of being told I need to stock toilet paper or perishable food instead (as if I don't have any, or as if this is a one or the other thing), and I am tired of my friend being called an idiot. I am also tired of people making assumptions and then basing their entire post around those assumptions, especially since the assumptions are incorrect.
But I am tired of being told I need to stock toilet paper or perishable food instead (as if I don't have any, or as if this is a one or the other thing), and I am tired of my friend being called an idiot. I am also tired of people making assumptions and then basing their entire post around those assumptions, especially since the assumptions are incorrect.
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We have at least two people either saying they'll supply someone's else's ammo needs or being given their only ammo (at the time) from their new neighbor.
I simply stated that _I_ don't rely upon the charity of others for my ammo needs. That means I'd never ask you for any because I'd already have my own. Don't know why that would bother you. But then, I can't fathom why you think it's your responsibility to supply ammo to folks that don't take the issue seriously in the first place.
But if it makes you happy, then by all means, enjoy your pursuit.
I simply stated that _I_ don't rely upon the charity of others for my ammo needs. That means I'd never ask you for any because I'd already have my own. Don't know why that would bother you. But then, I can't fathom why you think it's your responsibility to supply ammo to folks that don't take the issue seriously in the first place.
But if it makes you happy, then by all means, enjoy your pursuit.
David E: Have you read through this thread yet?
If not, please do so.
If so, please go back and read the part where I said I would be better off with him armed, than not, again...and tell me why you disagree with that statement.
If not, please do so.
If so, please go back and read the part where I said I would be better off with him armed, than not, again...and tell me why you disagree with that statement.
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My Opinion: You are doing what you think is right. You have a plan and good intentions. Good luck and God bless.
But I would add some 357.
But I would add some 357.
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Captains1911
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I really don't understand how you will be better off in an emergency by supplying a magazine worth of ammo to somebody who was unable to take care of themselves.
writerinmo
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I've read it all the way through, a couple of times even, and still have to agree with the posters who hold that there is no reason to concern yourself with stocking ammo for other people especially in calibers you don't personally own. If I had any type of firearm and for whatever reason (living in the military dorms or in someone elses household) didn't have any ammunition, if I drove "halfway across the country", at some point I am sure I would have been in or nearby a Wamart and thus would have had the opportunity to purchase some. If, for whatever reason, I didn't feel the need to, then it would be no one's fault but my own and I personally wouldn't accept a handout from a new neighbor just on the basis that I wouldn't assume being placed in that position of need. I would hop my rear end into my vehicle and take care of my own situation instead of relying on someone else. First off, you would never have known that I didn't have ammunition as that knowledge is certainly NOT something that I would mention in casual conversation with someone that I had only known a short period of time.
If you're stocking it for trading purposes, more power to you, it's just unneeded weight and space that would have been better served taking care of your own needs. Conceivably you could go the rest of your life without ever running into someone needing that particular caliber.
All my friends shoot the same calibers I do with the exception that I don't use .223, we all base our armories on 9mm, .40, 7.62x39, .22 and .223.
If you're stocking it for trading purposes, more power to you, it's just unneeded weight and space that would have been better served taking care of your own needs. Conceivably you could go the rest of your life without ever running into someone needing that particular caliber.
All my friends shoot the same calibers I do with the exception that I don't use .223, we all base our armories on 9mm, .40, 7.62x39, .22 and .223.
I did the same sort of thing, but for my own guns. Two .30 cal ammo cans with a box each of every caliber I own a gun in. The idea being that if I ever need to bug out (which could be for something as un-tactical as a fire), I can grab a single can and have something usable no matter what gun(s) I wind up having.
The cans each have:
.308
6.5 Swede
.303 Brit
8x57
7.62x39
7.62x54R
.32
9x18
.22LR
.45ACP
9x19
12ga
The cans each have:
.308
6.5 Swede
.303 Brit
8x57
7.62x39
7.62x54R
.32
9x18
.22LR
.45ACP
9x19
12ga
I like that idea. I was going to say that eventually as I slowly collect more calibers the can might start to consist solely of ammunition in calibers I do NOT have guns for, just to keep it at one can...but it would make sense to simply split the ammunition at that time and have one can with ammo for MY guns, and one for the rest, for a scenario such as what you just mentioned.
Plus covering ammo for my guns would cover MOST other guns as well.
Plus covering ammo for my guns would cover MOST other guns as well.
writerinmo
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I think that the "using the space to take care of your own needs" would be self-explanatory. If not, then simply insert any of the items that you personally use on an ongoing basis. Since you enjoy the "what if" scenario, what if this person gets the ammo from you and uses it for a less than legal purpose? Why not just stock up on multiple guns in 9mm and then lend them out as well?
If you feel the need to do it then do it, why bother starting a thread on it in an online forum, it seems you had all your answers ahead of time as it is. Just go to Cabelas and buy a box of everything, then it's all taken care of, isn't it...
If you feel the need to do it then do it, why bother starting a thread on it in an online forum, it seems you had all your answers ahead of time as it is. Just go to Cabelas and buy a box of everything, then it's all taken care of, isn't it...
Captains1911
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I can see it, but it make WAY more sense to achieve that by stocking your own ammo and guns that you could then lend to somebody nearby (i.e 2 or 3 AR-15s and 10,000 rounds of ammo).
SabbathWolf
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Lol....
You would have been better off in a SHTF to surround yourself with people who can take care of themselves instead of needing you as a baby sitter. Period.
I think this a great idea. Many good people don't plan for emergencies so having the ability to provide ammo can make a huge difference, and having a network of friends and neighbors in a SHTF scenario is important.
With respect to ammo selection, I wouldn't include .357 Mag or .44 Mag because .38 Special and .44 Special will fire in either gun. This will help to save space and be more efficient.
The only other thing I can think of is to accumulate more of the common calibers.
With respect to ammo selection, I wouldn't include .357 Mag or .44 Mag because .38 Special and .44 Special will fire in either gun. This will help to save space and be more efficient.
The only other thing I can think of is to accumulate more of the common calibers.
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