Beware the hack in the uniform

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First of all, I'm sure that not everybody that works at Academy, or any other sporting goods chain is as incompetent and unscrupulous as this post reports at least one is.

A guy next to me in the ammunition shelves is looking for "buckshot for home defense". There was plenty of buck shot on the shelves. The hack in the academy uniform tried to talk the guy into 7 and a half shot because "it sprays out, so even if you don't aim well, you'll at least get a pellet or two in him, and that stuff is a pain to pick out". (He literally said "that stuff is a pain to pick out" in a home defense scenario.)

Apparently, this guy thinks that home defense means to cause the intruder a mild annoyance at some later time when he has to ask his mom where the tweezers are. Nevermind that at indoor home-defense type distances, the pattern will be very tight even from a short unchoked barrel.

I'm pretty sure that a shot to the chest with 7 and a half shot at most indoor home-defense type distances and without thick clothing will ruin the home invadcers plans, but that's not what the hack said.

Then the hack in the uniform goes into overpenetration, which I thought was going to be a valid point, but again he goes off track talking about the dangers this poses to the walls. (The walls?? What about people you don't intend to shoot??)

The customer begins to sway, states that he owns the house and he's not worried about the walls in a home invasion scenario, and mentions going for #4 shot. The hack in the uniform then goes on to say "Well, with #4 shot you're getting pretty close to double aught buck, so..." At this point, I said "No it isn't", but they did not acknowledge me.

This is only the tip of the iceberg in terms of questionable and even objectively wrong advice and information I've heard from hacks in the uniform at sporting goods stores.
 
Maybe he was recommending #7 when doing live-fire HD drills in your house? :p

You should have recommended rock salt for "Leave no Trace" Home Defense.
 
he probably would have responded by suggesting finely ground salt, and some pepper blown from the palm of the hand with an assertive gust of breath, since that stuff is really annoying if it gets in your eyes
 
and another thing...

The same hack also told another customer that "according to the memos" he is receiving, overseas manufacturers aren't sure if they want to continue selling ammunition to the USA, so the ammo shortage has no end in sight.
 
I've had similar experiences at Academy. You get the good and the bad at most big box stores. The guys that know their stuff at Academy are the ones I will deal with. They will openly make fun of the guys that are just a warm body behind the counter.
 
God save us from the idiots with opinions. I have seen them on the range, at the gun counter, on this board, on other boards, when I peak outside my front door...

The weird part is that the internet magnifies stupidity. I have seen it. When I was building a shed to run a generator in, obviously want to keep it out of the rain and secure, I was trying to find out about airflow in regards to an air cooled engine. All I kept getting was irrelevant nonsense about carbon monoxide kills and not to run a generator "indoors"... Despite the fact that it is not connected with the house. I mean God. idiots will be the death of us all.

Looking up wild plants to eat there are so many myths, they started somewhere and people can find them on the internet and they appear so often they must be true! Wow
 
When I bought my maverick 88 around Thanksgiving the guy at Dicks was talking to me about the pardner pump. I took a look at it and saw that it was made in China . He then went to say that most guns are made in China now. I just kinda looked at him and went and bought the Maverick.

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When I saw the title "the hack in the uniform," I thought this thread would be about police chiefs testifying in favor of gun control.
 
I cringed at DSG when the hack behind the counter was explaining to someone that a camo shotgun wasn't the best for shooting skeet and for hunting you wanted to be sure the gun was camo...
 
7, 7&1/2 or 8 would be perfectly acceptable in a home defense scenario if you were being attacked by clay pigeons.

On a more serious note, don't discount the damage a #8 shot 20 gauge can inflict at 10 feet. I obliterated a flat screen TV with one. Blew a fist size hole in the screen then clear out the back. :uhoh:
 
I had a similar encounter recently with an LGS employee (nice guy, full of good intentions) who recommended an HD shotgun w/ a bayonet lug because it would "look really scary" to an intruder... which made me think I should consider an HD War Spear instead :)
 
In cases where overpenetration is a concern (apartments, homes with lots of hallways) I can see a large birdshot load such as heavy 8 being a better choice than buckshot. But where that concern doesn't exist or you are making a longer shot (large room) then buckshot is the way to go.
 
God save us from the idiots with opinions. I have seen them on the range, at the gun counter, on this board, on other boards, when I peak outside my front door...

Amen

This is only the tip of the iceberg in terms of questionable and even objectively wrong advice and information I've heard from hacks in the uniform at sporting goods stores.

If the guys at the big chain stores don't know anything then why do you guys go there and give them your business? $$$ You get what you pay for, knowledge included.
 
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I can't tell you how many times I have been attacked by orange clay golems and #7 shot saved my ass from a mythological beat-down.
 
This surprises you why? There's no "qualification" really to work there, be it in the gun section or weight benches....Same goes for Home Depot etc, I overheard an employee in the electrical section at Home Depot telling a customer that the first step to changing their electric breaker panel in their home "was to use a large pair of bolt cutters or something like that to cut the main line coming in from the street just above the panel to disconnect power from the outside lines"......
 
This surprises you why? There's no "qualification" really to work there, be it in the gun section or weight benches....Same goes for Home Depot etc, I overheard an employee in the electrical section at Home Depot telling a customer that the first step to changing their electric breaker panel in their home "was to use a large pair of bolt cutters or something like that to cut the main line coming in from the street just above the panel to disconnect power from the outside lines"......
Well can't say as though it wouldn't brighten your day for a few seconds...:)
 
This is why no matter what you re doing, you have to be your own advocate and know a little something before you walk into the door.
 
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