Preventing Lead from Fouling the Barrel

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I own an Uberti Model 1858 New Army Revolver that is a lot of fun to shoot. At the time of purchase I was told putting .45cal lead ball through the barrel wouldn't harm the firearm and would help with creating a good seal between the ball and bore. She shoots great and is a lot of fun, and I even enjoy cleaning my firearms, but my Uberti loves to leave large amounts of lead in the rifling. It takes a large amount of time to remove the lead with a bore brush and I want to cut down on that by trying to reduce the amount of lead staying in the barrel. Does anyone have suggestions?
 
I own an Uberti Model 1858 New Army Revolver that is a lot of fun to shoot. At the time of purchase I was told putting .45cal lead ball through the barrel wouldn't harm the firearm and would help with creating a good seal between the ball and bore. She shoots great and is a lot of fun, and I even enjoy cleaning my firearms, but my Uberti loves to leave large amounts of lead in the rifling. It takes a large amount of time to remove the lead with a bore brush and I want to cut down on that by trying to reduce the amount of lead staying in the barrel. Does anyone have suggestions?
One thing you might try if you're into conicals would be gas checks. I'm convinced they keep your gun lead free. You might try a card or felt wad under the ball as well. I rarely have leading problems and i use both systems, gas checks and wads on ALL the others.

Aloha... :cool:
 
I too, use wads and every other cylinder add a dab of "bore butter" to keep the crud manageable. Seems to work......
 
I appreciate the replies and I'll buy some wads before my next outing. I have also heard of bore butter and I'll give that a go too. If I continue to have problems I'll come back here with questions.

Thanks again
 
Are you using dead soft lead balls? Hard lead might not "bump up" when fired and may only contact the lands and not the grooves allowing blow buy that could melt lead off the sides of the balls. Most repros have slightly undersized chambers (.448") and .450 bores. I've never had leading in any of my C&Bs but have always used BOTH an under the ball lube wad and over ball grease. Messy, but cleaner bores.
 
I shoot only pure lead BALLS in my BP revolvers ( ROA & Remington) with no problems.
I use grease for an over chamber seal and can comfortably shoot about 10 cylinders / session without concern.
 
Hello, Infamous. You shouldn't be getting leading like that..I shoot soft cast plain-based bullets in black powder .40-70 Sharps and Remingtons with no leading. Take a look inside bore with good light. Are there tool marks going across lands and grooves? These can act like a file. Might try JB Bore Compound on a tight patch..use a muzzle protector to prevent wear..even a cut-off ctg. case drilled out will work. Best of luck.
 
There is a good post on "lube pills" that might solve your problem too. I'm soon to get back into cap and ball revolvers, and that looks like a cheap and easy way to load 'em up.
 
An oversize ball will do no good since it will be sized to whatever the cylinder size is when loaded, or break your loading lever.
 
Howdy

I agree you should not be getting any leading. I load Black Powder in 45 Colt, 45 Schofield, 44-40, 44 Russian, 38-40, and 45-70, as well as Cap & Ball revolvers. There is something about the way BP burns, perhaps it is the higher temperature, that prevents leading from occurring. As a matter of fact, revolvers that I used to shoot with Smokeless and now only shoot with BP have no leading at all at the chamber throat. The ring of crud that always happens at the case mouth with Smokeless has been completely burned away after many rounds of BP and the chambers are squeaky clean.

Be sure you are using a dead soft, pure lead ball that is large enough to be sized down when entering the chambers so that you have a good gas seal.
 
If the chamber dimensions are appreciably larger than the barrel bore diameter...as I have seen. You get leading all over the place.

It doesn't take much. A bore measuring .451-2 and chamber mouths at .457-8, will lead no matter what you do to lubricate the ball/bullet.

Just a thought before you go trying every combination of lead, wad and lubricant.
 
Abitnuts,
I agree with you that if the chambers are way bigger than th bore you will get leading.
All of the C&Bs I've owned have had equal to or smaller chamber diameters than bore diameters unless the chambers were reamed out. The Uberti Remingtons I have have .448" diameter chambers.
 
There are a number of factors that can lead to leading in a cap and ball revolver:

1. Projectiles of relatively hard lead. Pure lead is BHN 4, wheelweights are about 9. I would not use bullets that are harder than 6 BHN.

2. Inappropriate lubricant, such as the hard lubricants used with hard-cast bullets intended for smokeless powder cartridges. Proper black powder lubricants should be moist, and made of natural (animal or vegetable) oils or greases. Petroleum-based oils and greases should be avoided; an exception is canning paraffin, a pure paraffin that lacks petroleum's annoying propensity to create hard, tarry fouling when used with black powder or its substitutes.

3. Mismatched chamber throat dimensions, as compared to the bore dimensions. An overly large or small projectile can create leading. Chambers that are only a little larger or smaller than the bore don't have this problem.

4. A poorly polished bore. I have a 1970s Colt 1849 pocket pistol with machine marks across the lands. Lil' devil picks up leading terribly, and is woefully inaccurate for this reason. I use it for a decorator.

5. A pitted bore. Pitting scrapes lead off the passing bullet and increases with each shot. Badly pitted bores can pick up so much lead that they get lumpy with it.

6. The use of hollow or concave-based bullets. Years ago, in my Colt 2nd generation 1851 Navy, I tried the relatively new Buffalo Bore bullet with its concave base. These left a ring of lead where the forcing cone angles down to meet the rifling. Accuracy was terrible, even with the supplied felt wads under the wadcutter-shaped bullet.
Then I recalled that, during the development of the M1 Carbine, the first bullets made to test it had a deep, concave base. Testers were getting a ring of copper in the rifling ahead of the chamber.
The reason: at the high pressures of the M1 Carbine cartridge, that concave base was blown out to resemble a badminton bird. Each shot, some copper was sheared from the bullet from this flared base.
I realized that the same thing must be happening with the soft lead Buffalo Bore wadcutters and their concaved base.
I've tried the Buffalo Bore wadcutters in a variety of .36 caliber revolvers since, but the Colt 2nd generation 1851 is the worst offender. Accuracy in the other revolvers is no better than the Lee conical, and not nearly as good as a ball of .380 inch, so I stopped buying them. Besides, at nearly $20 for 50, they were expensive.

7. The gods playing pranks. For reasons unknown, because each firearm is an individual, some guns are just naturally prone to get leaded bores, despite all efforts to cure the problem. The gods must have their laughter.

Cures for leading include the use of:

a. Soft lead projectiles.

b. Moist, non-petroleum greases and oils for lubrication of the felt wad, on the grooved conical bullet, or over the seated projectile.

c. Lubricated, hard felt wad between ball and powder. A slightly oversized wad that fits snugly in the chamber when seated, made of hard felt, has a scraping effect upon fouling in the bore. The wad must be made of 100% wool; much of the wool felt sold today is polyester (plastic) and may leave plastic deposits in the bore.
A hard, lubricated felt wad will also seal off the projectile from the eroding effects of the hot gases.

d. A cylinder with chambers very near the dimensions of the groove diameter.

e. A projectile with a relatively narrow area for the rifling to grip.
This is not so much a factor today, with constant rate rifling, but the old original Remingtons and Colts had gain twist rifling.
Gain twist rifling has a pitch rate that increases as it goes down the barrel, from breech to muzzle.
A long bullet in gain twist rifling tends to lead because the front portion of the bullet is turning faster than the rear half. This is why the old conical bullets were so stubby -- to present a relatively narrow area for the rifling to grip.
Balls don't have this problem because their driving band area is naturally narrow.
Conical bullet designs of long ago were also stubby because they were used with paper cartridges, and these cartridges couldn't be so long that juggling them into an empty chamber was difficult, especially when you were dodging enemy bullets.

f. A bore that is leaded will pick up more lead. Sometimes, removing every speck of lead in the bore will cure the problem.
For this task, I use Iosso Bore Cleaner or J-B Bore Cleaning Compound on a tight-fitting patch. Both are creams with very light abrasive that picks up leading and other fouling.
I prefer to use a short length of wooden dowel, with its blunt end, to tap a tight patch through. The patch should have either bore cleaner worked well into its threads.
Often, the first run through of a tight patch will result in long ribbons of lead, scraped from the grooves of the rifling.
For the .36 caliber, I use 5/16" dowel; for the .44/45 I use 3/8" dowel.
I prefer the Iosso Bore Cleaner as it seems to do a little better job than the J-B.

g. Polish the bore with back and forth motions of a tight patch containing Iosso or J-B bore cleaner. This is a paste, a consistency harder than toothpaste, and will smooth the bore. It's particularly helpful in new barrels, to remove traces of protectants applied at the factory.

H. Use a conical bullet with a flat base, or if it is hollowbased then it should have a thick skirt. Actually, I've almost always found balls to be the most accurate projectile available, and easier to load if not cheaper.
An exception is the Lee 450-200 conical, cast of soft lead and lubricated with Gatofeo No. 1 Lubricant (search the net). This has been a very accurate combination in my Uberti-made 1858 Remington. At 20 yards, from a benchrest, it will consistently group six into 1-1/2 or 2 inch groups -- and no leading!

Leaded bores are often curable, but every once in a while one comes along that defies all logic. This is particularly true in smokeless powder firearms.
As Robert Service observed, "The gods must have their laughter." :D
 
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