Ruger 77/357 vs Mini14 vs Mini30

so... the argument is that... even though it is perfectly safe, in in some cases a marketing ploy to shoot 38 special out of a 357 magnum, the differences in point of impact are not a concern because nobody that buys a 357 magnum ever decides to shoot the much cheaper 38 special cartridge from their 357 rifle?

so... the argument is that... even though it is perfectly safe, in in some cases a marketing ploy to shoot 38 special out of a 357 magnum, the differences in point of impact are not a concern because nobody that buys a 357 magnum ever decides to shoot the much cheaper 38 special cartridge from their 357 rifle?

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It's not a "marketing ploy". You would have the same effect with 44mag and 44special and 44 Russian: 454casull and 45LC and 45 Scholfield: 22LR and 22long and 22short

We have no idea what 38spcl ammo was being shot vs the 357mag. I'm betting with a little shooting you could find 38 and 357 that shot same POI at 100yds

Take some 180 buffalo bore and some 125 self defense ammo at 100yds and I'll bet one is not on the paper.

If you have (or want) a .357 Mag revolver and like the idea of cartridge commonality, the 77/357 could be a good choice.

The laws of physics being what they are, you'll have to stick to loads in the same velocity range if you want them to hit to a similar point. There's just no way around that.

You could also employ quick detach scope mounts and sight the optic for higher velocity loads and use the stock sights for shooting .38 specials.

LeontheProfessional said:

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Decided on this 336 in 30-30 instead. Wound up trading my buckmark for it.

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That looks like a good answer.

I believe you made a far wiser choice than your original question as it seems you were already questioning the Ruger in .357. I think one of the problems with these types of questions posted here is that the OP artificially limits himself too much as to selection of an appropriate firearm.

Yes, it matters. A heavier object will fall faster at distance than a lighter one.

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Uh....nope. It will not. In fact for calculating drop, bullet weight doesn't matter.

Acceleration is a constant. The only variable is time of flight, a function of muzzle velocity, range, and drag.

The .38 drops more (in this case) because of it takes longer to get to the target .

"Yes, it matters. A heavier object will fall faster at distance than a lighter one."
I think that the assumption that two objects of different weights falling at different speeds has been proven to be wrong qutie a while ago.
"Disregarding air resistance, all small masses dropped simultaneously from the same height will hit the ground at the same time; for example,[citation needed] during Apollo 15 an astronaut on the Moon simultaneously dropped a feather and a hammer and they reached the ground at the same time." taken from wiccipedia

Leon is happy with his decision...

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If I sight my rifle in at 100yds with .357mag 125grain , and then shoot .357mag 180grain, which one will miss the target? It should be obvious which falls short of the target.

kanook said:

If I sight my rifle in at 100yds with .357mag 125grain , and then shoot .357mag 180grain, which one will miss the target? It should be obvious which falls short of the target.

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The 180 will miss, but that's because it's slower, not because it's heavier.

Though, it is slower because it's heavier.

The OP found his solution if you guys had read the entire thread. This is exactly why this place is not how it advertises itself......

kanook said:

If I sight my rifle in at 100yds with .357mag 125grain , and then shoot .357mag 180grain, which one will miss the target? It should be obvious which falls short of the target.

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Interesting question. Does the recoil of a pistol caliber carbine affect point of impact like the recoil of a pistol? The lighter, higher velocity bullet will shoot lower (fall shorter) in a pistol since it exits the barrel earlier in the recoil cycle.

Any one have any real data on the effect of pistol caliber carbine recoil on bullet impact?

I'll try it out in one of my .357 lever actions next time I'm at the range if I remember.

I've been talked out of the mini 30. I have an SKS that works for me and is rugged and accurate enough.

The .223 isn't what I'd go for, don't do a lot of yote hunting and when I do, I have other rifles that work. The .357 M77 will be more accurate and .357 turns into a RIFLE in a rifle. I have a Rossi lever carbine I like a lot, been shooting it for 25 years. I shoot more .38 handloads in it than magnum and I hunt squirrel with it. A cast 105 grain Lee SWC over 2.3 grains of bullseye gives me 900 fps at the muzzle and shoots 1.5" at 50 yards which is minute of squirrel. .357 is a very versatile chambering in a rifle.

Interesting question. Does the recoil of a pistol caliber carbine affect point of impact like the recoil of a pistol? The lighter, higher velocity bullet will shoot lower (fall shorter) in a pistol since it exits the barrel earlier in the recoil cycle.

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I mounted a click adjustable ghost ring aperture on my Rossi early on. Three full rotations of the elevation wheel UP for those light .38s, back down for heavy magnums. It's very repeatable and easy. A range compensating scope would work for this, but I think the aperture on the Rossi is more reliable.