9mm opinions

tarosean said:

You learned nothing from your previous thread, that is virtually the same question, a couple days ago??????

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Good Point

I would also be looking at why the Beretta is not accurate for you. They have a reputation for being pretty darn accurate.
That being said I have a couple of pistols that are very accurate, just not in my hands. One in particular, a Sig 228 is very
accurate in my sons hands, but in my hands its just OK.

Maybe the gun has a problem that can be fixed. Maybe you just can't shoot worth a crap.
Hey, it had to be said.

BSA1 said:

The Beretta 92FS is the most accurate gun.

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Not in my experience.

The G17 I shot was VERY accurate. My SIG P226 is approximately 30% more accurate with all ammo than my 92FS. Once in a while I get a load that's more accurate in the Beretta than the SIG, but in those cases there are several other loads for the SIG that are more accurate than the 'good' load for the Beretta.

So do you want a gun that you shoot better for you or that is more mechanically accurate?

Look at bullseye matchs, polymer guns are next to no existent for a reason. Not that a polymer gun will not out shoot 99% of us.

If you want something that's going to be more accurate than the 92FS, you're going to need to drop some serious coin to get a gun purpose built for target rather than combat shooting. Something like a Sig P210 or a VERY WELL fitted 1911...and by that I mean be prepared to shell out some cash for a custom gun with adjustable sights. My top picks would be something from Volkmann Precision, Wilson Combat, Ed Brown, or Les Baer with a 1" option. If you go the Les Baer 1" route, be prepared for a very tight gun that MIGHT give you some reliability problems.

OK I see he's new here with 11 posts. If you are really sincere, then you should know that repeating the same post in a matter of days is not acceptable conduct here. Also how long have you been shooting this pistol. Perhaps more practice is in order prior to looking at the gun as being the problem.
If you are an accomplished shooter, you would know the limitations on different types of pistols at various distances and what to expect. An out of the box gun in the 4-500 dollar range is only going to do so much. Which is usually more than enough, if you want dead on long range accuracy, you may need to spend 5to 10 times that amount to get what you want.

Same question gets the same answer,,,

Same question gets the same answer.

A lot of good advice here,,,
But I'm going to go in a different direction.

Pretty much any new pistol will cost you from $450.00 to a lot more,,,
9MM practice ammo in bulk is about 22 cents/cartridge,,,
That will buy you over 2,000 rounds of ammo.

I will posit that 2,045 serious practice trigger pulls,,,
Will improve your accuracy a lot more,,,
Than a new pistol ever will.

Here is 1,000 rounds of decent range fodder for,,,
$219.80 plus $16.00 shipping charge.

I'll be willing to bet this small amount of money,,,
Will help your accuracy much more than any new pistol.

Just a thought.

Aarond

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Picked up a SIG320 and LOVE it. Shoots like a dream.

The G17 I shot was VERY accurate. My SIG P226 is approximately 30% more accurate with all ammo than my 92FS. Once in a while I get a load that's more accurate in the Beretta than the SIG, but in those cases there are several other loads for the SIG that are more accurate than the 'good' load for the Beretta.

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He didn't list the SIG as a choice he was considering.

Thompsoncustom said:

Look at bullseye matchs, polymer guns are next to no existent for a reason. Not that a polymer gun will not out shoot 99% of us.

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Joe l has posted videos shooting a CZ P-09 that will blow you away, AND he has been doing fantastic using it in formal sanctioned bullseye matches. I've honestly never seen anyone hit a standard target repeatedly with a duty sized 9mm handgun at 200 yards before...He said he has fun showing the traditionalists what can be done with a polymer pistol.

If the ONLY thing you want to do with it is range plink, then there are several target models of the CZ 75B that are quite nice, and not all of them are priced out of sight. I have no beef with the 92F except for grip size, shot one before, good pistola. If you want accuracy, carry and military built, the CZ P-09 might fit your bill, with the largest flush fit 9mm magazine in the business so far.

I can say for the Glock that I have qualified Expert or Distinguished Expert with it for over 12 years, and it is an accurate reliable handgun (3 have failed in front of me/in my hand, but I've had a lot of samples over the years), and the reason I don't use one is the I personally can't stand the grip or the trigger, completely a personal issue.

I was poking through the SIG website some time ago and I thought they had a 9mm with target sights that guaranteed 3 inch groups at 50 yards or so. I was interested till I looked at the price. Sort of like the 6 inch 952s the S&W Performance Center was making.

Of course the best answer is always to shoot what you like and have confidence in. I have a Glock 17-L that I enjoy shooting very much.....ironically I have an old Astra A-100 that will outgroup the "target" Glock. Every pistol on the OPs list qualifies as "good". I like the grip on the CZ best so would be inclined in that direction.(plus I don't have one haha)

Chetc said:

i am going to sell my 9mm beretta 92fs. and get something more accurate for target shooting, was thinking of a cz75b or i have a chance to pick up a used gen 3 glock 17 at a steal, and put an aftermarket 6" barrel on it, any thoughts on which would be a more accurate target shooter

chet

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but on January 21st you posted

looking into a new 9mm

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presently i have 3 automatic 9mm, i want to get one more and possibly sell one, let me say what i have now, a like new Berreta 92FS purchased 20yrs ago, a Ruger SR9C about 3 mos old and a new Glock 17 gen 4 about a month old mainly i do target shooting, looking to see if i can step up i accuracy, i haven't shot the 92FS in 20yrs, been only shooting Ruger and the Glock i am shooting the Glock a tad better at the moment, so i went to the local gun shop looking, the owner shows me 3 9mm's the Walters PPQ, Walthers PPx and the H&K VP9, i have been hearing good things on the Walthers, but then i picked up the PPQ i noticed there was slop when i grabbed the muzzle end side to side neither my Glock or my Ruger has any, so the Walthers turned me off on looking any further, the H&K VP9 was tighter. would these guns be considered moving up or going backwards on what i have now, i noticed all 3 of the guns i looked at today seem to have a high feeling like what i am saying the center of the barrel seems higher from the grip compared the Ruger and the Glock, would this be a issue with muzzle flip to get back on target as compared to the lower profile gun, any input would be appreciated, if none of these choices would be an improvement over what i have now, suggest something other i can look into, my next choice was going to be a CZ75.

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So don't you already have a G17?

My .02, I have several of the Pistols mentioned here. i also have a very compromised trigger finger. I have to do some trigger work on nearly everything i buy. That said - all of my large 9's are more accurate that most people can shoot. On my M9 (92fs military style) i increased the recoil spring and decreased the main spring and it shoots good. I have a cz 75 sp01 phantom - no trigger work - great shooter. I have a cz p09 - lowered the main spring - shoots great. I have a .40 beretta 96 - had a 2.5LB comp. trigger installed - Awesome! But remember - to be bullseye accurate - lots of things have to be considered: trigger, grip size, grip angle, ammo. - most of my guns are more accurate with Fiocchi range ammo than blaser brass or whitebox or lawman. So i guess there are a few questions left unanswered. Have you narrowed down the ammo that works best in each of your guns? Do they fit your hand. Are the triggers good? A $4.00 main spring can make a heck of a difference in some guns. I will say that the cz's have the best triggers of the bunch out of the box and the p-09 i find to be very accurate and crazy reliable - but all the pistols mentioned here are reliable as long as you don't buy cheap mags. All these guns cost about the same and perform about the same. Bullseye shooters cost a lot more but you can get close with these guns and a little spring/polishing work. But i will offer a recommendation since i sense that you really want a good excuse to buy a new gun: the CZ p-09 - heck of a shooter!