looking into a new 9mm
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) but for a bare bones Grand Power pistol outa the box is a fine pistol. Shot at 7y/15y/25y...all shot standing
Tarosean. Put my money where my mouth is? Gladly. I am not the best shot in the country. But I don't mind losing a little money to the truly great. So if you want to put a few hundred bucks down, I am game. When you and your P210 are in Phoenix you can look me up. Win or lose I will have a good time and I bet you will never call a Glock "combat accurate" again.
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Furncliff
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CZ75b. I bought mine used ten years ago. Ever since then I've, been buying 9mm pistols that are fun but fall short in every category.
Not long ago I sent the pistol to Cajun gun for new sights and a trigger job. All I can say is ...Oh my.
Not long ago I sent the pistol to Cajun gun for new sights and a trigger job. All I can say is ...Oh my.
george burns
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Everyone shoots every gun with varying degrees of accuracy. Some can just shoot certain guns better than others. It isn't usually the gun, as any of those should be more than accurate enough, it's the shooter and the amount of money they want to spend for that little extra. If you spend enough it should improve unless you really aren't that great to begin with.
A 5000 dollar 1911 and a 500 dollar glock in the hands of a novice shooter will shoot pretty much the same.
A 5000 dollar 1911 and a 500 dollar glock in the hands of a novice shooter will shoot pretty much the same.
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I look at it the other way. In the hands of a complete novice certain guns will shoot way better. A $5000 1911 with a sweet trigger is likely going to impress a complete novice with poor trigger discipline and unsteady nerves. The surprise break, alone, will be a big aid.
With enough practice and familiarity it is quite possible that these two guns will shoot exactly the same for most of us. I actually like the tiny bit of non-surprise break on a glock and my FNX. It can be used to your advantage. There is only a small elite handful of folks that can eke out the difference in absolute accuracy without shooting off of sand bags.
Hand me a Sigma with a 10 lb trigger, and I'll put a shotgun pattern on the board. Hand me a Sigma and 1000 free rds of ammo, and I'll be putting them one on top of the other by the end.
I look at it the other way. In the hands of a complete novice certain guns will shoot way better. A $5000 1911 with a sweet trigger is likely going to impress a complete novice with poor trigger discipline and unsteady nerves. The surprise break, alone, will be a big aid.
With enough practice and familiarity it is quite possible that these two guns will shoot exactly the same for most of us. I actually like the tiny bit of non-surprise break on a glock and my FNX. It can be used to your advantage. There is only a small elite handful of folks that can eke out the difference in absolute accuracy without shooting off of sand bags.
Hand me a Sigma with a 10 lb trigger, and I'll put a shotgun pattern on the board. Hand me a Sigma and 1000 free rds of ammo, and I'll be putting them one on top of the other by the end.
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zerobarrier
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Springfield XDM 5.25" barrel in 9mm is something to consider. It has a match barrel and fiber optic front sight. Mine is very accurate. Comes with 3-mag, owb holster and owb double mag pouch.
Drop a powder precision river trigger in it for $125 and it is very good.
Drop a powder precision river trigger in it for $125 and it is very good.
Milkmaster
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aarondhgraham
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A lot of good advice here,,,
A lot of good advice here,,,
But I'm going to go in a different direction.
Pretty much any new pistol will cost you from $450.00 to a lot more,,,
9MM practice ammo in bulk is about 22 cents/cartridge,,,
That will buy you over 2,000 rounds of ammo.
I will posit that 2,045 serious practice trigger pulls,,,
Will improve your accuracy a lot more,,,
Than a new pistol ever will.
Here is 1,000 rounds of decent range fodder for,,,
$219.80 plus $15.00 shipping charge.
I'll be willing to bet this small amount of money,,,
Will help your accuracy much more than any new pistol.
Just a thought.
Aarond
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A lot of good advice here,,,
But I'm going to go in a different direction.
Pretty much any new pistol will cost you from $450.00 to a lot more,,,
9MM practice ammo in bulk is about 22 cents/cartridge,,,
That will buy you over 2,000 rounds of ammo.
I will posit that 2,045 serious practice trigger pulls,,,
Will improve your accuracy a lot more,,,
Than a new pistol ever will.
Here is 1,000 rounds of decent range fodder for,,,
$219.80 plus $15.00 shipping charge.
I'll be willing to bet this small amount of money,,,
Will help your accuracy much more than any new pistol.
Just a thought.
Aarond
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ShootingIsFun
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I second the Springfield XDm 5.25!
tcanthonyii
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My M&P 9mm and XD45 are extremely accurate as is my Ruger P95. There is no other gun I like shooting more than that P95.
Dry fire, dry fire, dry fire. That's how you get more accurate. That Beretta of yours is setup for it. That DA trigger that doesn't need a slide to be racked is ideal for dry fire. If you can pull a smooth DA trigger without any muzzle movement your shooting will be that much better. I know it helped mine.
Dry fire, dry fire, dry fire. That's how you get more accurate. That Beretta of yours is setup for it. That DA trigger that doesn't need a slide to be racked is ideal for dry fire. If you can pull a smooth DA trigger without any muzzle movement your shooting will be that much better. I know it helped mine.
JeeperCreeper
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The choices are many, and there is no correct answer.
Of the three you listed, the PPQ is supposed to be a sweet shooter, but I have no experience with them. The VP9 is supposed to be an excellent pistol, but I hate the mag release and the design of the rear of the slide creates an optical allusion for me which makes me feel like the rear sights are canted to the left.... but that's just me.
I think you have an excellent pistol with the Beretta and Glock. But if you have the itch for a new 9mm, go cheap to save money for ammo and look at CZ clones. I swear by them now. EAA SAR B6P or Witness line are excellent shooters with sweet ergos and triggers. The Canik and Tristar CZ clones are supposed to be out of this world as well. I also love the Ruger SR series (especially the 9E) for bang-for-buck. Any will be as accurate as you are.
Of the three you listed, the PPQ is supposed to be a sweet shooter, but I have no experience with them. The VP9 is supposed to be an excellent pistol, but I hate the mag release and the design of the rear of the slide creates an optical allusion for me which makes me feel like the rear sights are canted to the left.... but that's just me.
I think you have an excellent pistol with the Beretta and Glock. But if you have the itch for a new 9mm, go cheap to save money for ammo and look at CZ clones. I swear by them now. EAA SAR B6P or Witness line are excellent shooters with sweet ergos and triggers. The Canik and Tristar CZ clones are supposed to be out of this world as well. I also love the Ruger SR series (especially the 9E) for bang-for-buck. Any will be as accurate as you are.
joebiker
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fan of 9mm 1911s
If you have tried a 1911 in 45 acp, you'll love one in 9mm
Less recoil for easier control, good to great single action triggers..
lower ammo cost - shoot more!
I tried one, now I've got 3.. last/best?
A SS Springfield Loaded Target (in 9mm)..
too much fun to shoot.
If you have tried a 1911 in 45 acp, you'll love one in 9mm
Less recoil for easier control, good to great single action triggers..
lower ammo cost - shoot more!
I tried one, now I've got 3.. last/best?
A SS Springfield Loaded Target (in 9mm)..
too much fun to shoot.
Johnny_B_Goode
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If you cannot shoot small groups with the Beretta 92Fs you do not need a gun, you need an instructor. The only guns I have shot that are more accurate than the 92fs are revolvers that were made for target shooters. The only gun I own that can compete with a 92fs is a Dan Wesson 15-2 with a 10" barrel. The only reason the DW is more accurate is the 357mag shoots much flatter than the 9mm. If you hold the DW at the top of a 12" steel at 100 yards or further you will hit it.
Saleen322
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As was mentioned, there is a difference between target accuracy and combat or “steel plate” accurate. To call a service pistol target accurate is like calling a Hickok45 video a gun test, they are functional and entertaining, but they don’t get you where you are going. Banging away at steel plates will not show performance differences when testing as a target pistol and a service gun will both hit plates but not show much difference.The error that a shooter has is added to the mechanical error of the ammo and the gun. The goal is to get the mechanical error as close to zero as you can so you only have the shooting error to deal with. For example: on the left is a typical service gun shot at 25 yards. If you play with loads/ammo you could improve on that some but it is a realistic service target. On the right is a real target pistol, a 952 S&W @ 25 yards, and you can see it groups better. If you test different ammo in your Beretta, you could get around where I am in post #24 which is somewhere between these two. When you are testing, do it at 25 yards or more as that will show the differences more clearly and make notes about everything. Good luck to you.
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