looking into a new 9mm

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presently i have 3 automatic 9mm, i want to get one more and possibly sell one, let me say what i have now, a like new Berreta 92FS purchased 20yrs ago, a Ruger SR9C about 3 mos old and a new Glock 17 gen 4 about a month old mainly i do target shooting, looking to see if i can step up i accuracy, i haven't shot the 92FS in 20yrs, been only shooting Ruger and the Glock i am shooting the Glock a tad better at the moment, so i went to the local gun shop looking, the owner shows me 3 9mm's the Walters PPQ, Walthers PPx and the H&K VP9, i have been hearing good things on the Walthers, but then i picked up the PPQ i noticed there was slop when i grabbed the muzzle end side to side neither my Glock or my Ruger has any, so the Walthers turned me off on looking any further, the H&K VP9 was tighter. would these guns be considered moving up or going backwards on what i have now, i noticed all 3 of the guns i looked at today seem to have a high feeling like what i am saying the center of the barrel seems higher from the grip compared the Ruger and the Glock, would this be a issue with muzzle flip to get back on target as compared to the lower profile gun, any input would be appreciated, if none of these choices would be an improvement over what i have now, suggest something other i can look into, my next choice was going to be a CZ75.



Chet
 
The S&W 929 has a long 6.5" fixed barrel design for enhanced accuracy, a long sight radius and a pretty nice single action trigger.

I love it for target shooting :)
 
I have an H&K P30 V3 and am a member of H&K forum and there has been lots and lots of good comments on the VP9. My P30 is a fantastic pistol and has quickly become my nearly 100% CC pistol. The H&K would definitely be a step up from the others you mention. The only reason I would not buy the VP9 is because it is striker fired and I do not like that platform.
 
Chet, For upping accuracy, I would go with a pistol that has single action capability. If I'm not mistaken, all of the pistols you're considering are striker fired, with triggers that are fine for duty/carry/plinking, but perhaps not the best for accuracy. Some of the 9MMs that have proven very accurate for me, not all currently in production, are the Swiss and German SIG P210s and X-5, STI Trojan, Dan Wesson PM9, HK P7M8, HK P9S Target model, HK USP Expert, S&W 952 and FN/Browning GP/Competition model. Of the DA/SA type guns I've owned, a bunch, the HK USP Expert has the best SA trigger of any I've experienced in a DA/SA type pistol....ymmv

Ps, I've owned three CZ pistols, two Pre-Bs and a 75B retro model. All three excellent, totally reliable pistols, but triggers and accuracy were not the equal of the other guns I've mentioned. The CZ Cutom Shop pistols are supposed to be excellent in all respects though...
 
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Rock has it right, look for a pistol with single action, trigger will be a lot better than striker fired double action. I love my old school S&W's....but my target shooting is for fun, not necessarily for score in competition.
 
Chet, I'm a big fan of the GLOCK (any model) and recently bought a 25 year old Beretta 92FS... Two guns you mention.

The 92FS has been one of my "grail guns" since I carried it during my 21 years in the USAF. One thing I haven't done yet, but will is the "D spring" mod. This spring change will lighten the double action pull to something useable.

Just an thought.

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The H&K would definitely be a step up from the others you mention.
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Its also another poly weapon with very loose tolerances. (I own one)
It along with all my other poly guns are NOT target guns nor were designed as such.

Sig 210, High end 1911 in 9mm, Pardini GT9, etc. etc. are guns I would look at.. Or just send that pristine 92FS off to be Accurized, after all they compete with them in Markmanship/bullseye competitions..
 
You didn't mention what kind of shooting you are doing. You mentioned only accuracy and also a concern for muzzle flip/follow ups.

If you are talking unsupported "practical" shooting, you have to be a really darn good shot to tell the difference between any of those guns you mentioned regarding absolute accuracy. You will probably be best to forget about side-side slide slop. That doesn't really matter except in a ransom rest. When you are using the sights, the slide is always exactly where it needs to be. The gun I shoot the best is a G21, and it has plenty of slop.

You might be better off concentrating on fit and trigger. The PPQ and PPX both have a great trigger. Hickok did a review on the PPX, and he says he shoots it better than a Glock. I think there's a promotion on them, still. If your dealer isn't selling them under $300.00, you might want to look around. I have seen them advertised at $279. At that price, I want to try the German Hi Point, myself.

OTOH, if you are shooting the eye out of a crow at 50 yards, I guess you are looking for a SIG P210.
 
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+1 for the CZ-75B SA (single action). I have lusted after one for a while as it seems like a great balance of performance vs. price if you're not ready to step up to a competition gun. Of course, CZ offers those, too, at double the price of the 75B SA and up.
 
IMO your Glock and Beretta are plenty accurate. There is no replacement for trigger time both live fire and dry fire. I would practice with what you now have before moving on.

BTW, the pistols you have are semi-auto, not automatic. Try not to feed into the propaganda.
 
well i never thought i would get all this info and opinions in such a short time, the replies are packed with so much detail. i may get the beretta out and give it a shot, might look at a PPX for the wife LOL,

Chet
 
these guys are apparently NOT target shooters... I understand the quest foir an accurate 9mm. There is a big difference in combat accuracy and bullseye acuraccy. From all I have ever read the sig p210 is the closest outside of a total custom single action semi auto...
 
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The Beretta you already have is probably more ACCURATE than any of the others you name.

You will have to spend a good deal of money or get lucky to gain any actual ACCURACY. The guys have named several good choices... and some pretty ordinary ones.

And you need to consider the ammo. No point getting a nice pistol and expecting it to do great things with cheap ammo. Again, you might get lucky and find a pistol that shoots econoball just great.
 
In looking for an accurate ,all around pistol , I have another in mind. The CZ- PO- 7 Duty , A real sleeper. At a 50 ft. target ,I have put 5 rounds into 1.125 inches in a rested position. This pistol is a double-action with about a 4 lb. pull in SA. It is listed in the 450.00 range in a lot of LGS. It is similar to the other CZ pistols such as the CZ-75 .
 
There is a big difference in combat accuracy and bullseye acuraccy.
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And there's a big difference between a gunwriter saying a Glock or a Beretta has "combat accuracy" because of ransom rest testing or because they, personally, can't break the trigger as cleanly as with a 1911 or a P210 vs the reality. Some individual examples of gun A might be inherently bad or good. But overall, a Glock or a Beretta can outshoot 99% of folks in two-handed, unsupported shooting, if you feed it the right ammo. Whether you can work with the trigger and the grip is an individual matter, and many folks can't work with a Glock, in particular. Heck, I'm scary accurate with my GF's LCP... as long as I have 10 seconds to pull the trigger.

Bullseye shooting is a one-handed balancing act where millimeters count. The weight distribution/balance, fit of the grip and grip angle, and trigger reach and break for that individual all count for as much or more than inherent accuracy. IMO, what shoots more accurately in one guys hands isn't necessarily the same for another. And some shooters can pick up any handgun and put one hole on top of another. Most folks might dismiss it if I said I shoot a stock Glock with plastic sights better than a Gold Cup or a 6" 686 with a 2 lb trigger pull. I say come and shoot some beer bottles with me... at 75 yards, unsupported; and we'll see whose "gun" is more accurate. And OP never said what kind of shooting he is doing; it is more than likely he is not practicing his one-handed dueling stance.

I'm curious, though. As a bullseye shooter, can you actually shoot more accurately with one hand than using two?
 
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Tanfoglio witness elite match 9mm without hesitation. Most people don't know a lot about them, but for the price they are absolutely remarkable. Fair warning though, if you buy one tanfoglio, you will want more. I dont however recommend their guns lower than the elite lines. I think there are better options. The 92FS is a solid gun btw. You cant go wrong with a cz 75b if you decide to go that route, but you owe it to yourself to look up and learn about the tanfoglio/witness guns.
 
mainly i do target shooting, looking to see if i can step up i accuracy,
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I'm a big fan of 9mm 1911s, I have an STI Trojan 9mm and I promise that is a great range gun, it is a lot of good clean fun to shoot. I really like the F.O. front sight that came with this one. If you want to spend the money, a Dan Wesson Pointman Nine would be an upgrade.
 
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Most all of the polymer pistols are okay accurate but if you want more than that, you will most likely have better luck with an all metal, non-striker fired type pistol. I have a Smith 952 which is an out-of-the-box target 9mm. FWIW, I have shot some accurate stock Beretta 92s but I had one that was not accurate at first. I was looking for an excuse to try a KKM barrel so I bought a plain, drop-in KKM for my Beretta, worked the trigger to a crisp 4 lbs, and put an adjustable sight on it. It really shoots well for what I have in it now. I am guessing about $310 or so. Good luck to you in your search.

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these guys are apparently NOT target shooters... I understand the quest foir an accurate 9mm. There is a big difference in combat accuracy and bullseye acuraccy....
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My CZ75BD most definitely is bullseye/single-ragged-hole-accurate. An old freind of mine, that's a very knowledgable and skilled gunner, that does and has owned a TON of great pistols over the decades, recently told me my CZ was the best 9mm. he's ever fired. Even myself, when I'm concentrating hard, can put several consecutive rounds in a nickel-sized hole at 12 yards, better than I've shot any other pistol I've owned.
And it eats any and everything, from Ga Arms reloads to Rusky steel cased wolf and brown bear, to all of Wal-mart's budget offerings,etc.
I vote CZ, over all the Smiths,Rugers, Sigs, Berettas,Glocks, Springfields, that I've ever owned, and even over the Walther P99 I just recently traded into, and am currently head over heels over :D.
 
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