10 mm

[Sam1911]

Good grief. Maybe it IS for you. Or isn't. Whatever. At least you can't say you're still confused about its place in the world.

 

[RealGun]

I didn't say I was confused. I said I was puzzled, way back in post #1. My conclusion is that its "place in the world" is for those who enjoy shooting 10mm in a gun S&W no longer offers and a few who want to shoot 40SW in IDPA (any others?). There are those who favor moonclip reloads and double action as well, again a competition thing most likely.

I have decided personally that if I ever get into 10mm, it will be a Kimber 1911. I would like to eventually experience all the prominent calibers. I am already doing the moonclip thing with a 625. If I ever get a chance to rent or otherwise shoot a 10mm revolver, I will jump at it.

 

[David E]

I didn't say I was confused. I said I was puzzled, way back in post #1.

And several times since. Like Post #45:

That said, it wouldn't make sense to me to buy a 10mm so I could shoot exclusively .40 S&W, especially for IDPA

No one said anything about shooting .40 S&W exclusively thru a Model 610. Except for you.

My conclusion is that its "place in the world" is for those who enjoy shooting 10mm in a gun S&W no longer offers and a few who want to shoot 40SW in IDPA (any others?). There are those who favor moonclip reloads and double action as well, again a competition thing most likely.

Close enough.

 

[RealGun]

No one said anything about shooting .40 S&W exclusively thru a Model 610. Except for you.

That's petty. I recall that someone did indeed value the gun for shooting 40 S&W. Parsing the word exclusively is petty.

You are not quoting me as having repeatedly saying I was puzzled, because it didn't happen. Why do you need to parse and beat me up with the word puzzled.

 

[Peter M. Eick]

The 610 (after reading all of this over) is seeming to be miscast. Its utility is in what it can do for your 10mm's.

I use my 610 for testing reloads, practicing target shooting and cleaning out the hogs when needed. For all of these things it is really good.



It is accurate as you can see with all the shots at 15 yrds. (still have not figured out how to get a 2 round moon clip to stand up easily).



It is a good size for hunting and is a nice compromise to big auto like the Witness Hunter.



It comes in two handy barrel lengths but I prefer the longer.

So why get a 610?
Reloading
Hunting
Accuracy
convenience

 

[Barry the Bear]

Peter M. Eick
Love the pics, you got some great guns there.

 

[David E]

Parsing the word exclusively is petty...

It was your word, not mine. If you don't want your words "parsed," then make better word choices. Like "mostly shoot .40's..."

You're parsing "puzzled" to be different than "confused," so it's quite ironic you're picking that nit.

Peter, I'd easily choose the 610 over that behemoth of a Witness! Nice pics

 

[Elkins45]

As a practical matter, why would I want to put wear on my relatively expensive 10mm brass when I can use dirt cheap 40 S&W empties?

 

[horsemen61]

I like 10mm

 

[Peter M. Eick]

Starline 10mm brass is $162/1000 and 40 short and weak brass is $154.50/1000. 8 bucks does not constitute relatively expensive in my book.

Besides, 10mm brass seems to last longer than 40 brass in my experience.

 

[Elkins45]

Starline 10mm brass is $162/1000 and 40 short and weak brass is $154.50/1000. 8 bucks does not constitute relatively expensive in my book.

Besides, 10mm brass seems to last longer than 40 brass in my experience.

I was referring to the plethora of once-fired 40's available on the used brass market at $40/1K. Once-fired 10mm is almost non-existant on the used brass market. Regarding wear I have found that I am less concerned about how 40 wears because I can probably pick up a bunch of replacements every time I visit the range.

 

[Mainsail]

Another consideration is ease of manufacture.

For a gun maker to do a 10mm auto, it's either going to require a redesign of an existing gun (like the 1911) with the inherent testing and refining, or they're going to have to design it from the ground up (Smith 10XX series).

With a revolver there isn't anywhere near the drama. Just swap out the .41 drill bit for a .40 and recess the cylinder. Substantially less expensive I would guess.

So there will always be a market for a 10mm revolver because they're pretty easy to make, and make reliable. If you put a pretty revolver on the shelf, someone will buy it.

 

[Drail]

"if you put a pretty revolver on the shelf, someone will buy it" I sure do wish you were in charge at S&W and Ruger.

 

[David E]

Disregard.

 

[kayak-man]

Let's say, hypothetically, you are employed by a certain government agency that issues The GLOCK 20 to it's agents, but you prefer revolvers. If the ammo issued by said agency is on contract, and that load can only be bought through one manufacturer, then a 10mm revolver would be the natural choice to continue to take advantage of the agencies specialty ammo. Of course, this is all hypothetical... Everyone knows there's no such thing as unicorns....


In all seriousness, I think a 10mm revolver would have a place for people who already shoot a 10mm auto and want a revolver, or a 40S&W and want a revolver with the ability to push the power a bit.

(I'm not super strong on the ballistics, so if I'm wrong, someone, anyone, correct me)

-similar power to a 357, but with potentially more reliable moon clips
- easier to find EITHER 10mm or 40S&W than just 41magnum
-slightly less power than 41 magnum, but potentially more reliable moon clips.

Great, I was all fired up to finally buy a .44, but now, I'm thinking I may need to look into 10mm

 

[RealGun]

I'm thinking I may need to look into 10mm

Speaking of unicorns...good luck in the quest.

 

[Peter M. Eick]

I just cranked out 1400 rounds of 10mm reloads today and I had forgotten how easy it was to load the 10mm. Nice sized brass, easy to pick up bullets and brass, plentiful components. Yep, the 10mm is a reloaders friend.

So these reloads were intended mostly for the Witness hunter and my 610. I had not chronoed them (obviously since I just boxed them up) but out of a 5" RZ 10mm they were doing about 1200 fps with a 180 grn LTCFP so just loafing a long. More than a 40 short and weak, but lots less than a 41 Mag. That is where the 10mm does well.

 

[lobo9er]

The quest took me all of 1 min... There's 6 on gunbroker as I type this. I shoot way more less expensive 38's out of my 357's and load up a SRH with 44 SPL for hd. If you never have tried this take a walk on the wild side sometime... You just may like it 44 SPL out of a SRH is a lot of fun to say the least. if I were to own a 10mm revolver I most definitely would shoot far mor 40's out of it. Less expensive and less bang.

 

[RealGun]

The quest took me all of 1 min... There's 6 on gunbroker as I type this.

Try to buy one at a price you like.

 

[lobo9er]

If it was what I was after I would pay what the going price is. Lucky for me I am interested in the new bearcat or the Glock 380 and both are a little easier on the wallet.

 

[Jason_W]

Now that I live in California (where fewer and fewer semi-auto pistols are allowed every day), I'd like to see someone offer a 10mm revolver again. I like the round a lot: .357 energy levels with a wider and generally heavier bullet. In a way, it falls between the .357 and the .41 mag in terms of ability and recoil. Also, being able to fire cheap .40 s&w through it for blasting and practice is a plus.

If someone were to offer a 10mm revolver along with a pump or level action companion carbine, I'd be selling a kidney on Ebay in order to get mine before whatever manufacturer stopped making them due to low sales figures.

 

[Dan-O]

I absolutely love my 5" 610.

 

[buck460XVR]

There are a multitude of firearms, calibers and others things in the shooting sports that I do not own, nor do they hold any appeal to me. That said, I see no reason to question why others hold them so dear. Life would be quite boring if we all had the exact same likes and dislikes, and there was only one gun or one caliber to choose from.

 

[Kman2014]

Some people trust a revolver more than a semiautomatic pistol because there is less chance of a misfeed, stovepipe etc. They like having the added security found in a revolver at the cost of having less rounds to shoot.

 

[gspn]

How is shooting a 10 mm significantly different than 41 Magnum

It is less powerful.

I'm a fan of both the 10mm and the .41 mag...I own and reload for both...but the 10mm doesn't compare in power to the 41 mag.

Having said that, I do enjoy shooting a 10mm revolver because I don't have to chase my brass. I friend of mine has a S&W 10mm revolver and everyone loves shooting it. If he ever decided to sell it there would be a fistfight in my office trying to get to it.

Why was it created? Here's what Wikipedia has to say:


"History[edit]
The Model 610 debuted in 1990, but shortly after its introduction, popularity of the 10mm round was declining and slow sales caused Smith & Wesson to retire the model in 1992.[2]

After a 6-year hiatus it was reintroduced in 1998 for competitive shooting matches with a few changes. The firing pin was moved from the hammer to inside the frame and an internal safety lock was added.[2]

This reintroduction was at the behest of members of the International Practical Shooting Confederation but the Model 610 is more commonly used in International Defensive Pistol Association matches.[2]"