10mm resurgence

[Buzznrose]

What else was there? I have a 44 eagle. It's huge and heavy, and doesn't perform the greatest when nasty. You had the wildey and coonan guns but those were rare and more niche.357 sig wasn't around. You could walk in any gunstore and come out with a Glock 20 and ammo. And it's the only 10mm to really be issued in any number unless you count the smith the fbi had and its not without its reports of failures. And for the states requiring 6 inch barrels there has always been. Support for a 6 inch Glock barrel. Plus many 1911 makers made 6 inch versions.

If 357 is the minimum deer cartridge like many feel then 10 when loaded like a 10 is is equal.

Like I said in another thread, many people bought a 10mm over the last 20 years because of my talking it up. All but one dumped theirs and his is a delta elite that he doesn't even shoot. So unless "woods" or "hunting " is specifically mentioned the. I don't even suggest 10mm.

My point was the 10MM isn’t the only woods gun. Plenty of stories attest with proper ammo a .40 is a very valid boonies round.

 

[S.Crockett]

Yep. There are several.

As far as the ammoseek page....its still only 1.xx percent. Not exactly earth shattering. Lol. Technically its 1% more popular than 25 or 454 or 500 smith or 50 AE.....I wouldn't use that metric to build up the 10mm. Lol.

Most hard-core 10mm users reload for it. Factory ammo is for their urban EDC pistol or their "woods" pistol.

 

[Steven_Seagull]

I prefer if I am going to have a 10MM, it be as powerful as possible.

Think G40, 7-9" barrel.

10MM and it's extra capacity really only gain the most steam with longer barrels. It's exponentially better the longer it gets.
A .40S&W is a great woods caliber fwiw.
A 10MM will do it with more speed.

How much that speed matters to you, depends on your circumstances.

 

[crestoncowboy]

Most hard-core 10mm users reload for it. Factory ammo is for their urban EDC pistol or their "woods" pistol.

Like I said, I used it nearly exclusively for over 20 years. I probably used to be a "hardcore" user of 10mm. I had every gun made in it up until some of the later plastic models. The 220 6 inch was my last one I bought but ill pick up the others in like new condition when people actually take them to the range and realize that their split times are tripled over their 9mm and ammo costs 3x. First one i fired was an issued Glock around the year 2000. Ive had a progressive press just for 10mm for over 15 years. Loaded tens of thousands of rounds plus bought many tens of thousands. Im at least a little familiar with the round and I'm a fan. But I also hunt whitetail with a handgun and maintain fence/farm where bear are an every day thing. Twice ive drawn on bear in such occasion.. Never shot at one. I have killed many trophy deer, several bobcat, fox and coyote. And put down many beef and hog and a few torn up horses. I may or may not have put down a Rooster or two that got to me on a bad day as well. I'm not an expert on 10mm but have used one more than most.

The reason we bought ammo was usually because it was as cheap to buy loaded ammo from bvac or Georgia arms, even though it was loaded to hot 40 levels, than it was to buy components. Why buy brass when you could get plinking ammo for the same price and load that brass? Both companies around 2000 used starline brass. Bvac later switched to armscor junk. There was one more such company but I can't recall the name, shipped in a box with an American flag on it. All ammo at that time was weak. The only available warm ammo was silvertips and they were under 1200 fps (from our Glocks) for a 175GR which is plenty weak but that is the round we issued. Hornady had custom in 155/180/and 200 gr xtp but it was even weaker, we clocked the 200s at 1050fps average from a Glock 20. Norma was out of the 10mm buisness I believe, if not it was scarce but you could find some real ammo that way. Remington,cci, and federal sold fmj 180s that were rather weak and often hard to find. At the same time all 3 sold .40 that was just as fast. At that time the only hot 10mm was doubletap when Mike was selling ammo on forums loaded in his garage..... so yeah at that time the only option for for anything close to real 200Gr/1200 fps was handloads or custom order from Mcnett. Luckily the 40 was popular so we had decent bullets to choose from . Lol. Buffalo bore was only making big bore levergun and revolver ammo. The only recent 10mm ammo I purchased was a case of the sig ammo and ive yet to fire/chrono one. No clue why i ordered it. Lol. I carry 200 GR xtp loaded with a near max load of blue dot. Have hunted with and carried that load for 20 years. Fine load amd its been safe in everything from "poorly supported" delta elites and Glocks to my match kkm and sig hunter.

The county switched to 45/40 and nobody was terribly sad about it. Now they use a 9mm and again I haven't heard anyone say they would like to go back to the 45 or 10mm, but again we were issuing a fat gun shooting a 175 at under 1200 when the .40 was issued with a 180 going over 1000. For hunting or "bear defense" I think it's still viable. How many of these people buying the new guns are buying it thinking is the best carry/duty gun? If it were.....then somebody somewhere would be carrying/dutying it. Lol

(And yes I know that some guys in Greenland supposedly carry a 10mm......they are also a smaller unit than the smallest police departments and ride around on a 2 man dogsled and carry a 30-06 so that's really not relevant nor do they seem to be the most well equipped elite special force deltasogsealsasspetznazgign-ish unit )

 

[crestoncowboy]

My point was the 10MM isn’t the only woods gun. Plenty of stories attest with proper ammo a .40 is a very valid boonies round.

And plenty of stories Attest that the even the 10mm is marginal.....if a 200 GR at 1200 is "marginal" then the exact same bullet at 1000 is even marginal-er. Lol.

As far as woods and hunting, the 10mm was the only one with range and power to be a valid woods gun. Its also the only one thats commonly equipped with a 6 inch barrel for the states that require it for hunting. Sig didn't make 6 inch 226 in 40 or 9. Glocks long slide 9 and 40 aren't 6 inch. But because of the intended usage the 10s ship with 6 inch barrels.

I carry a 40 despite owning 10 or more 10mms. I grew up walking around in the Appalachian mountains alone with a red Ryder or 22. I, to this day, wander about without a gun quite often. I'm certainly not arguing the 10 is anything magical or required for anyone. I feel that for any given usage there is a far better gun. Lol. To me the ten is the perfect jack of all trades/Master of none. If you could only have one gun for sd/ccw/feeding the family and anything else....the ten is probably the best choice. But where is the fun in that. Simply saying that if you wanted a semi auto to hunt with the 10mm was the only mass produced semi auto that was viable. Especially in a state that needed a 6 inch barrel (mine isn't one and i often take whitetail with a 4 inch 44 mag) You could get a Glock/1911/witness hunter since the 90s-2000s in a 6 inch.

People are funny. They think the 38 special is just unethical and puny for a hunting gun....and the 357 is perfect . Same for the 44 special vs the 44 magnum. Ive even see people buy a 357 or 44 mag because it's "powerful enough to kill deer" and then carry out loaded with specials. Lol. ....45 colt is too small but 44 mag is the one and 454 is "overkill". Etc etc. If I'm shooting the 9mm its a more suited hunting tool than most people I know with my 460. I don't think any deer ive killed with a 10 would have known or cared that the xtp was going 1000fps slower and the range ive used it at for vast majority the trajectory wouldn't have mattered either. So I'm not saying your wrong. Just that its long been considered the only semi auto thats powerful enough.

There is absolutely no doubt the 10 is seeing a resurgence. It got down to you had to hunt for a witness or buy a Glock (or possibly kimber) for many years. Now there are many options.

I for one think it will die even harder this time when people realize (again) that 40 or 9 is just as good on man size targets at defense distances, is faster to follow up, has less noise/ flash, less weight, and is cheaper to shoot. Just like everyone who bought one because of my recommendation over the last 20 years found out.

And the resurgence has made loading the 10 worse too, since a couple factories are using small primers

 

[Trey Veston]

I stopped by the LGS over the border in Idaho today and they actually had a Sig P320 10mm in stock. It fit my hand perfectly and the trigger was amazing. 15 rounds of 10mm with a grip that felt that good was surely witchcraft.

But, it is huge-feeling pistol with a large slide. Surely it is a sweet range piece. Waiting for the compact version to come out.

 

[sparkyv]

I hope yours works out better than mine. I look forward to your videos on the XTEN.

I stopped by the LGS over the border in Idaho today and they actually had a Sig P320 10mm in stock. It fit my hand perfectly and the trigger was amazing. 15 rounds of 10mm with a grip that felt that good was surely witchcraft.

But, it is huge-feeling pistol with a large slide. Surely it is a sweet range piece. Waiting for the compact version to come out.

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