For self defense against humans, the evidence shows thatInteresting how we’ve convinced ourselves that the 9 mm is as good as larger calibers.
It can suffice, with the proper ammunition when the circumstances do not require the additional penetration of a more powerful load. thise circumstances cannot be foreseen with any certainty.Now the 380 is good enough.
That's silly.Soon 22 Long rifle and then maybe a hopped up CO2 pistol
Not only that, it is largely a matter of chance.Shot placement is almost never ideal...
It does not take much thinking before one realized (1) how little that effect really is, and (2) how much it would be offset, statistically, by the disadvantage of the slower rate of controlled fire.and the larger the caliber the more forgiving of shot placement for the desired incapacitation of the two or four-legged critter.
If anyone imagines being able to reload a pistol while bring rushed by violent criminal actors, their impressions of likely reality differs from mine.I understand how the extra capacity is a game changer - it's one less reload.
If anyone imagines being able to reload a pistol while bring rushed by violent criminal actors, their impressions of likely reality differs from mine.
They make a 9x18 barrel for the Glock 42.To our credit here, no one has brought up 9x18--if most likely as no one is making micro pocket pistols (much in that caliber.
The new Ruger LCP Max is pretty, but it's still a 380.
I think 9mm is minimum. If one is concerned about recoil, might consider a 22; negligible recoil, lots of mag capacity.... and shot placement becomes absolutely critical.
Only that squat and pee use .. I say you think everyone should drive a 3/4 ton diesel truckI wish there was a study showing if larger pistol calibers really do stop thugs better than these small/weak calibers that only those that squat to pee use.
https://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/article/when-does-a-380-beat-a-9mm/
https://sofrep.com/gear/the-best-handgun-caliber-a-real-world-study/
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power
only if someone studied these things……..
Just saying the loss of performance going from 9mm to 380 isn't worth whatever is gained in reduced recoil, shot followup, etc. Might as well go down to 22.Why go straight from 9mm to .22LR if you can get 10+1 rounds of .380 in a LCP Max?
Only that squat and pee use .. I say you think everyone should drive a 3/4 ton diesel truck
Do you only own one handgun?
I swear they’re always that one that always writes something that shows their ignorance or arrogance
I’m getting the feeling that you didn’t read the studies in the links I provided, nor have seen ANY reply to any pocket pistol thread, nor my love for 380s and 32s.
I posted that because some feel like they have to go and piss on a thread that they can just walk away from. I don’t hold to “9mm is small and barely minimal” thinking, for civilian conceal carry.
So it’s your arrogance to presume I’m saying such. Mostly from your ignorance of not looking at the studies I posted.
This study you linked:
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power
Has this chart:
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I doubt that 32 acp is superior to 9mm/357/40/45 in incapacitation potential.
That said, same link shows it takes two hits on average to stop (incapacitate) an attacker; can't shoot partial bullet, 1.76 = 2.
Police average about 50% hit ratio with "service" size pistols and we shall generously assume that % of hits for a civilian with a pocket gun.
Is the possibility of two attackers realistic? Yes, it is.
Two attackers requiring an average of 2 hits each to stop and our average 50% police hit ratio equates to 8 rounds potentially needed.
Less than 8 rounds may be insufficient to stop a realistic two attackers, based on data.
38 snub and no reload is coming up short.
7 rounds in a LCP 380 and no spare mag is also coming up short.
At least the 11 round LCP Max meets our 8 round minimum.
Just saying the loss of performance going from 9mm to 380 isn't worth whatever is gained in reduced recoil, shot followup, etc. Might as well go down to 22.
9mm has enough energy to give good terminal performance with defense ammo. 380 and 22 are like defending oneself with an icepick - only effective if used with great accuracy.
Two attackers requiring an average of 2 hits each to stop and our average 50% police hit ratio equates to 8 rounds potentially needed.
What is the basis for your contention?this assumption of more than two attackers ACTUALLY STICKING AROUND is one of thr biggest BS story you guys push.
That may prove to be true on come occasions--and untrue in others.Just saying the loss of performance going from 9mm to 380 isn't worth whatever is gained in reduced recoil, shot followup, etc.
Claude's compilation of reports does not and cannot prove your contention.Actual civilian shooting events by Claude Werner.
For future contemplation--that never proves anything.I can not find any proof that supports your statements.
there is one such case in the "Lessons from the street" DVD.Show me anywhere a civilian was approached by two or more thugs that didn’t run from the time of shooting or the weapon was produced.