15 year old shot by bicyclist

[tommytrauma]

Not to get this topic of-topic, but I'll bet that the man gets charged for two murders.

Anyway, A group of teens driving around at 2:30 is not a bad thing always. I do it quite often with my friends. Those same teens throwing things at bikers just makes them idiots in my opinion, or someone that is looking for trouble. By that same theory, guys riding bikes around with guns in a city is not necessarialy a bad thing eiher. Shooting someone throwing food at him also makes him an idiot or someone looking for trouble. It is obvious that we do not know all the facts. Perhaps there was something between these people already, and this incident pushed him over the edge. maybe the driver did attempt to hit them. Propbbly the only story you will hear is the girls friends/family's, even if this man is caught.

Do you drive around someplace like inner city Milwaukee at 2:30 in the morning? My 15 year old daughter certanly doesn't. Of course, she's not pregnant either.

Are you 15 for that matter? Or a bit older? 15 is too young to be out at 2:30 in the morning cruising around inner city Milwaukee looking for trouble. Or maybe I'm just an over protective parent.

 

[4v50 Gary]

It's one thing to be pissed, but the outrage did not justify taking a human life. Betcha anything the suspect is the type Michael Moore would want on an airplane in case there's another hi-jacking. As for Michael Moore, he'd egg the guy on while hiding behind a stewardess (not being sexist and I know they're flight attendants, but I can see Moore hiding behind a 110 lb female).

 

[Third_Rail]

That was an awful joke....

but I can see Moore hiding behind a 110 lb female

How could you NOT?!

 

[mussi]

That's IMO the clear-cut case where a healthy dose of pepper spray will reeducate the kids in the car.

 

[HankB]

We're only hearing one side of the story - I suspect there was more than a french fry thrown.

And even if there wasn't, throwing things at a bicycle rider in the middle of the night isn't the act of a fine, upstanding citizen.

Shooting someone for throwing a french fry isn't right, either. Was there something else thrown? Was there something else going on? We just don't know, since we only have one side of the story. And only PART of one side of the story at that. And we don't even know how much of THAT is true!

We can conclude that NOBODY in this story was/is a credit to society. We need a lot more information - RELIABLE information - to determine who was "most" in the wrong.

AND . . . we can also conclude that bad things happen when bad people come into conflict with one another. From the (limited) information presented, I'm just glad no true innocents were involved.

 

[StopTheGrays]

This will more than likely throw some gas on the fire but I cannot really get worked up about what happened. I was for about a day then I pushed the feelings aside. The people in that area have a lower regard for life than people in and around Milwaukee do. It is a fact, known by all around the Milwaukee area. Though an act just like this rarely happens, it does happen and will happen again.



This link contains the police report for the North Side of Milwaukee, the majority of the activity takes place in the area where the shooting happened over a 2 week period.

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Milwaukee Police Report North-Side


This link contains the police report from the South Side of Milwaukee which is outside of the area where the shooting happened.

Milwaukee Police Report South-Side


Compare the two locations and the types and amount of crime going on.

 

[aut2no]

<That's IMO the clear-cut case where a healthy dose of pepper spray will reeducate the kids in the car.>

Let me get this straight. You're on a bicycle, pull up to the van full of people stopped at the red light, apply Fox OC to all occupants of the vehicle (innocent or guilty).

2 possible scenarios follow:

First, someone in the van pulls a gun out and blows you away, possibly also hitting innococent bystanders. (The shooter can't see well, so spray & pray is the style)

Second scenario - the driver, who can't see now, panics & floors it ...running the red light and crashes into another car in the intersection and lots of people dead now.

I have been in several life threatening encounters (unfortunately), however (fortunately), through Divine Providence, Luck or my own instinctive reactions (in that order) I have avoided using lethal force. (I did have spray someone who tried to stab me & yes, unbelievably, I had to go to court to defend my action)

The situation in this thread (albeit some facts missing), seem to make me believe that the bicyclist, upon being harrassed, shoulda done a 180 - avoid the van, call the police. It's not a matter of who's right or wrong...or the others deserving revenge. IF you carry a firearm or spray and you find yourself expressing your anger by an "I'll show them" attitude, then you need to rethink carrying.

And most certainly just being a pregnant 15 year old out at 2:30 am is not deserving of capital punishment for 2 lives.

I have lurked on The High Road and now participate to understand, in part, how I can learn more to AVOID situations that could accelerate into someone's death - mine or theirs. I, of course, hope to learn new strategies and mindset if & when I must unavoidably ENGAGE.

There have been 2 murders in my family. One involved her failure to avoid an anticipated situation. The other was a failure to engage and defend himself. That can be a discussion on a new thread if I choose to open that up.

 

[HadEmAll]

The wrongs done by the people in this story are obvious. What leaps out at me after reading through this post is how many posters here took "French fries and other food" and have tweaked it to "a french fry". No wonder cops and lawyers get so many versions of a story.

 

[cracked butt]

I can concur with what STG said.
I worked on the North side of Milwaukee for a few years, some of the locals tell me that some of the neighborhoods that are complete sh-*holes now were pretty nice not 15 years earlier. Alot of the businesses have packed up and moved out including all of the stores in fairly good sized shopping mall- the crime in this report was a few mile east of where I worked, but there was also a man killed in a shooting not a block from where I worked about 3 years ago. The regard for life in this part of Milwaukee is very low.

 

[PBIR]

What leaps out at me after reading through this post is how many posters here took "French fries and other food" and have tweaked it to "a french fry".

I didn't feel a need to type out "and other food" in my post. Unless that food was whole watermelons or legs of lamb, it really doesn't make a bit of difference when compared to french fries. Most likely the other food consisted of other fast-food menu items, hardly life-threatening stuff unless we are talking about ingesting it.

What leapt out at me was an unarmed 15 year old kid being blown away by some nutjob who should have just exfil'ed the area. And the fact that some people are so unbalanced they think this is a righteous shoot. I wouldn't sell a firearm or ammunition to anyone in my store who voiced that sentiment.