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17 Win Super Mag Rimfire

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by razorback2003, Jan 3, 2013.

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  1. razorback2003

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    I thought???
    I read that Savage was going to market a rifle designed for a necked down 22 hornet to 17
    I have a 17 hmr & really like it, but would like the 17 a hole lot more if I could reload for it
     
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    Yeah, I'm not getting the point of making it rimfire unless the price point will be competitive with other rimfires.
     
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    What was sad was the failure of the 17 fireball. I love that round!
     
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    It will be interesting to see if this turns into another 5mm Remington.
     
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    I'm a johnny come lately to the 17 hmr, but I've been having a blast with the 17. I hope this new round pans out, if it's not priced outrageously, and CZ comes out with a 455 barrel I'll be right up in the front of the line to try it out.
     
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    I like that. Ammo cost will probably decide its fate.
     
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    looks to be too long for a 17HMR/22WMR magazine
     
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    One article I read said something about it being more expensive to shoot than a .223
     
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    $17.50/50rds.

    Love the .17HMR but wish the new cartridge was bigger, not just faster.
     
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    Would probably be the penultimate gopher caliber. I hope, because I own one already, that it doesn't make the hmr obsolete.
    It's a little too bad they didn't go .20 caliber. I think the bigger bullet would have translated to a little better coyote round.
     
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    That's kind of what I was afraid of, but I'm still hoping that maybe the magazine well in the 455 is large enough to accept a slightly larger magazine, perhaps made out of thinner sheet steel. Maybe they could squeak by with enough length for the 17 super mag.

    As an aside, how long do yall think it will be before the .22 Winchester Super Magnum comes out? I'd be game for a rimfire that pushes a 40 gr bullet to 2400 fps and a 30 gr to 2600 fps...

    I think I read in one of the articles that Winchester's target for the 17 super mag was .30 cents a pop. I do reload several calibers, but sometimes I just want to go shoot a little without having to spend the time and effort making up a bunch of rounds... I'd pay $15 - $17 per 50 for something like this new little round.
     
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    I read 33,000psi as well which, coupled with the length, may put it out of existing rimfire designs.
     
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    I guess I am confused as to the target customer. Too expensive for a rimfire, the .17 Hornet is available for people who do not load, and the .17 Ackley Hornet and .17 Ackley Bee fill the slot for reloaders. The .17 Fireball is capable of even higher velocities.

    I have a .17 Fireball barrel for a Contender and it does everything I want with the 17-grain, 20-grain and 25-grain .17 caliber bullets. I have considered getting a .17 Ackley Bee barrel as I replaced my .22 K-Hornet barrel with a .22 Mashburn Bee barrel. .22 Bee brass pricing is my issue.

    I wish Olin/Winchester good luck with this but color me puzzled.
     
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    Agreed and this will be the failure of this cartridge if traditional single "bolt handle" locking lug designs cannot accept the added bolt thrust of higher pressures and a larger case head.

    However if a 22version were introduced it'd be a significant development for those of us in states where only rimfires can be used for hogs




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    It really gripes me when something new is announced and closed-minded people denounce it before it ever even hits the shelves but this time, I have to be one of those people. I'm sure it will be a potent cartridge but after my time spent with the .17HMR, if I want more it's more bullet mass. I have to buy another rifle anyway but requiring a larger platform is going to make them more expensive. A completely new cartridge is going to make the ammo more expensive. If I'm having to spend that much more than I am now for .22 and .17 magnums, I'd rather handload for a small centerfire like the .22Hornet. I guess this time around, I'm playing the part of the turd-sucker. :p
     
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    As said already, this round would be great in 5mm and 5.56mm for those restricted to rimfires....but I also wouldn't be surprised if the rules would be amended in the future to preclude the Winchester Super Magnum Rimfires.

    I hunt on public land which although the locality allows centerfire rifles, this public land does not. They claim it is due to the death of some of the cattle on the land....however, they have TONS of coyote and groundhogs...I would think they would welcome people with centerfires to come in and kill those...but nope, too bad it is always the ignorant who make the laws and the rules.
     
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    This cartridge has a ready made market Craig.

    Lots of states have hunting regulations that limit folks to using rimfires for coyotes, varmints or even bigger critters. 17hmr was a good start but that much more power would definitely be welcome for those occasions when the critters just don't quite come in close enough for 22mag based rimfires.

    Its just not a round that makes a lot of sense to us gun guys and reloaders




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    I agree that it probably has a place, I'd just like to see something bigger than a .17cal. It's based on a .27cal fastener cartridge so a .24 or .25 might be nice.
     
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    But many of the aforementioned regulations read like "rimfires not larger than 22 caliber" or some variation thereof.

    I want to see 32 rimfire brought back as much as anyone but a bigger rimfire would serve no purpose from a sporting POV since it wouldn't be legal for the animals it would be best suited for.




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    We have that issue on public land in Tennessee when it is not deer season. No centerfire rifles allowed. Only shotguns with T shot and rimfire rifles and handguns.

    If this cartridge does what they say it will do and be able to cleanly kill coyotes, I might seriously consider one of these rifles. I have hesitated buying a 17 HMR because I have heard it is not enough for coyotes.

    The cost of the ammo being more than 22LR ammo is not a big issue for me. It is still cheaper than premium 223 ammo and I can use the 17 super mag on public land. When I want to shoot a lot, I have a 22 rifle to use.
     
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    Gotcha. Perhaps we will see an entire line of cartridges based on the case. Nothing stopping them from necking it down to .20, .22, .24, .25 or running a straight .27.


    While it will never be as explosive as a .22-250, I have never lost a coyote (or anything else) shot with the .17HMR. I switched from the 17gr V-Max to the 20gr XTP because it's a more consistent killer. From small rodents to coons, possums, foxes, bobcats, skunks, feral cats and coyotes, place the shot well and they go down quickly.
     
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    It makes plenty of sense for me, and I think it will do very well IF the rifles and ammuntion are priced similarly to other rimfires. One of the really cool things about 17 HMR is you can buy a very accurate, flat shooting (within reasonable ranges) rifle for the mid $200's. I guess the kicker will be whether rifle manufacturers can chamber this round in their existing platforms. Also, I agree with the above posters, this kind of thing would be perfect for places where you have to use rimfires on coyotes or hogs, or even places where you don't want to grate on the neighbors too much.

    We reloaders have to remember when judging products like this, that we are in a miniscule minority amongst shooters. I think the 17 super mag could undercut the 17 hornet with most non-reloaders, even though the 17 hornet is under $1 a round, its still more than twice as expensive as the proposed pricing for the 17 super mag.

    Does anyone know what rimfire Winchester could introduce this round in? Do they even make a rimfire repeater anymore?
     
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    Seriously? No centerfire rifles like .223 for predator hunting? You can't even go out and put up a target and check your zero the weekend before a hunt?

    Glad I don't live in TN.
     
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