1893 Turkish Mauser sporterize question

[Mauser lover]

I was looking at a 1893 Turkish Mauser that was for sale, and was wondering what calibers it would be safe to rebarrel to. Is there any terrible difference between the Turkish ones, and the other countries?
If anyone has done one of these, could you please chime in?

 

[morcey2]

Any of the standard mauser rounds would be safe to load in it:

8x57
7x57
7.65x53
6.5x55

Along with:
257 Roberts (not +P)
300 Savage
250 Savage
7.62x39

there are more, but basically anything with an operating pressure less than 50,000 PSI (45,000 CUP-ish).

It's a small ring mauser and I believe the bolt is unique to the turk. I don't know if they were manufactured in Turkey or Germany or elsewhere. I'm in the middle of building a 6.5x55 on a spanish 93 action, but haven't gotten much past the planning stages yet.

Matt

 

[Mauser lover]

Thanks, will check the bolt.

 

[fguffey]

http://www.turkmauser.com/93/

F. Guffey

 

[Shadow 7D]

I have one in x39, its pretty nice BUT has some feed issues, and the bolt head needs work....

 

[Mauser lover]

Thanks, now, is the bolt horribly soft? If it is, what problems will arise from that?

 

[Shadow 7D]

NO, the issue is that there is .9 (so lets just call it a mm) difference in rim size, so the round is held on by the extractor, this leads to it hanging, pointing about 15* down, jamming the round into the front of the magwell and not into the breach.

 

[Shadow 7D]

OH and on the turk, it's a little *different*
cause they got pretty much every model of mauser, then refurbed them into a single standard.

 

[WardenWolf]

OH and on the turk, it's a little *different*
cause they got pretty much every model of mauser, then refurbed them into a single standard.

It also means that they're generally in excellent condition, though, since they were arsenally refurbished so often. You first need to find out what current caliber that 1893 Turk is in, either 7mm Mauser or 8mm Mauser.

 

[Cosmoline]

The 93 Turks are not as inherently strong as the 98 pattern. I believe many were reconditioned for use with the 8x57JS but it would not be my first choice as a sporter base. The '98 action is really the way to go for that.

 

[fguffey]

“It also means that they're generally in excellent condition, though, since they were arsenal refurbished so often. You first need to find out what current caliber that 1893 Turk is in, either 7mm Mauser or 8mm Mauser”
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Again, not fair, I was told the rifles were first chambered in 7.65mm53 Belgium Mauser, the 7.65 BM Mauser chambered shared a name with the Argentine Mauser.

F. Guffey

 

[fguffey]

http://www.turkmauser.com/parts/bolt/bolt.aspx

parts for the 93 and for the 98 type.

F. Guffey

 

[Mauser lover]

It has been reconditioned to 8mm, I think it was originally 7.65.

If I rebarreled it to .257, that wouldn't make any feeding issues, because it is pretty close to the original 7.65, right?

 

[dirtyjim]

257 should feed but may require some tweaking.
if you do not have a very good understanding on how the feed rails, magbox dimensions and feed ramp all work together i wouldn't advise modifying it yourself.

 

[Mauser lover]

Whats to modify in the feed rails if it feeds fine?

 

[dirtyjim]

if it feeds just fine there will be nothing to modify but you will not know until its been rebarreled. then if it doesn't feed you will need to understand whats causing the problem before you try to fix it.
there are many things that can cause a rifle not to feed, bullet shape, extractor, rails, ramp, magbox, mag spring, follower and cartridge dimensions all come into play.

what once fed 7x57 may not feed 257 bob reliably.
i've seen it to many times.

 

[Mauser lover]

Oooooohhh... okay...
well, I haven't bought it yet, so maybe I should look for something else...

 

[NCsmitty]

If you are considering a Mauser action for rebarreling, I encourage you to stay away from the small ring types and consider either the intermediate action Yugo's or a M98 VZ-24. They are quality made, and capable of handling most of the modern rounds available, if they fit the magazine. The 1893 Turks were made in Germany, but like most small rings made pre-98, they possess metallurgy of that era that does not compare to the later M98 actions.
Unless you have the knowledge, skill and tools to rebarrel a Mauser, it can get expensive, and it makes financial sense to get a modern rifle.


NCsmitty

 

[morcey2]

....
Unless you have the knowledge, skill and tools to rebarrel a Mauser, it can get expensive, and it makes financial sense to get a modern rifle.
NCsmitty

I have to agree with ncsmitty. Unless you already own the donor rifle and/or can do lots of the work yourself, you'll be ahead by buying a new production or more recent used rifle. This coming from a guy who just sent a yugo-captured k98 action to a smith to become a 257 Bob. I also have a 1909 argentine, that has been partially butchered already, which is soon to become a 6mm Rem, and the aforementioned 93 spanish soon to be a 6.5x55. I'll be doing the bluing (slow rust blue), inletting and bedding, and stock finishing.

That said, if you want one built and know the expense up front, go for it. I did! Now all I need is a 7.65x53 to round out my mauser-based rifle collection.

Matt