1911 technology question
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Hawk
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The single-action, straight pull, non-hinged trigger.
Whether or not a crisp, tunable, potentially nearly creep free trigger is necessary or desirable is up for grabs but if one decides it's a personal priority it will be difficult to match with alternative designs.
Some 1911 folks, if asked the five most important reasons they favor the platform, will list "trigger" all five times. It's a mechanical issue. Some may prefer the "feel" of the SAO non-hinged trigger but, if so, it's related to a strictly mechanical, or "technical" if you will, property of the design.
Whether or not a crisp, tunable, potentially nearly creep free trigger is necessary or desirable is up for grabs but if one decides it's a personal priority it will be difficult to match with alternative designs.
Some 1911 folks, if asked the five most important reasons they favor the platform, will list "trigger" all five times. It's a mechanical issue. Some may prefer the "feel" of the SAO non-hinged trigger but, if so, it's related to a strictly mechanical, or "technical" if you will, property of the design.
BlindJustice
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+1 on the trigger which besides being non-hinged is also solid technically
with it's twin symetrical 'arms' in connection/operation of the
drawbar which acts upon the hammer strut/sear for hammer
release.
Another Technical reason is the feature not found on many
other designs - the grip safety which makes for redundant safety
for holster carry.
Another Tech. reason is the overall strength and adaptability
of the 1911 platform that is capable of being chambered in several
other cartridges with minimal changes to the SLide/frame.
Randall
with it's twin symetrical 'arms' in connection/operation of the
drawbar which acts upon the hammer strut/sear for hammer
release.
Another Technical reason is the feature not found on many
other designs - the grip safety which makes for redundant safety
for holster carry.
Another Tech. reason is the overall strength and adaptability
of the 1911 platform that is capable of being chambered in several
other cartridges with minimal changes to the SLide/frame.
Randall
The only reason to pick a modern autoloader over a 1911 is cost and consistency. The vast majority of changes to the 1911 are cost reducers.
Removal of the swinging link, removal of the 1911-style locking lugs by moving to a single lug on the ejection port, removal of the 1911-style bushing and replacing it with various devices that do the same thing, etc.
Firing assemblies are the biggest differences with different triggers, striking mechanisms, etc.
This is why production 1911's will generally work, but you'll have some that are just lemons (I'd say moreso than on a modern pistol). It's not an issue with the design, its an issue with the manufacturing. The manufacturing improvements are what make Glocks so consistently reliable. There's nothing inherently better about the Glock than, say, a Sig. Hell, the only "technical" difference between the Glock and the Sig is the firing assembly. The recoil assembly is roughly identical and the feeding mechnisms aren't particularly dissimilar.
Removal of the swinging link, removal of the 1911-style locking lugs by moving to a single lug on the ejection port, removal of the 1911-style bushing and replacing it with various devices that do the same thing, etc.
Firing assemblies are the biggest differences with different triggers, striking mechanisms, etc.
This is why production 1911's will generally work, but you'll have some that are just lemons (I'd say moreso than on a modern pistol). It's not an issue with the design, its an issue with the manufacturing. The manufacturing improvements are what make Glocks so consistently reliable. There's nothing inherently better about the Glock than, say, a Sig. Hell, the only "technical" difference between the Glock and the Sig is the firing assembly. The recoil assembly is roughly identical and the feeding mechnisms aren't particularly dissimilar.
Triggers, but most people shooting are much more limited by their ability rather than their guns. Heck, slingshots can shoot the typical 10" so called minute of torso group at 21 feet most people are satisfied with, nevermind any gun with a rifled barrel.
HorseSoldier
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Another +1 on the trigger.
Otherwise, I'd think most technical aspects of the design make it less serviceable than more modern ones (much as I like them) -- harder to keep it running with higher round counts, etc.
Otherwise, I'd think most technical aspects of the design make it less serviceable than more modern ones (much as I like them) -- harder to keep it running with higher round counts, etc.
Ridgerunner665
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I'm not sure if it qualifies as a "technical reason" or not...
But I like all steel guns...the weight helps with follow up shots, feels good on my hip, feels good in my hand...and last but not least, when its empty you can still knock the #$@!% out of somebody with it.
But I like all steel guns...the weight helps with follow up shots, feels good on my hip, feels good in my hand...and last but not least, when its empty you can still knock the #$@!% out of somebody with it.
Kind of Blued
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I think it is the most ergonomic handgun I have ever held or fired, especially with a "high thumbs" hold.
I'm capable of firing 6 rounds on target with a 5" all-steel 1911 in about the same time as a polymer 9mm with horrid ergos.
That's twice as many grains o' pain.
I'm capable of firing 6 rounds on target with a 5" all-steel 1911 in about the same time as a polymer 9mm with horrid ergos.
That's twice as many grains o' pain.
Technical reasons... Well trigger has been covered...
How about simplicity of design and parts availability? Both stock and aftermarket.
To me a single stack .45 feels right in my hand. When I was looking for a carry gun I went to the range and shot a bunch of guns, Glocks, Sigs, Beretta's, etc... I kept going back to the 1911. But then that's not technical...
How about simplicity of design and parts availability? Both stock and aftermarket.
To me a single stack .45 feels right in my hand. When I was looking for a carry gun I went to the range and shot a bunch of guns, Glocks, Sigs, Beretta's, etc... I kept going back to the 1911. But then that's not technical...
BikerRN
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My Reasons
Trigger (already covered)
Mainspring Housing (flat or arched, your choice)
Parts Availability
Ease of carry (already covered)
Thumb Safety (More Than one "documented save" in a gun grab)
Ease of being able to be "worked on"
Pointability (Glocks don't fit my hand as well)
Longevity and Durability (already proven, plus it doesn't melt in a fire)
BikerRN
Trigger (already covered)
Mainspring Housing (flat or arched, your choice)
Parts Availability
Ease of carry (already covered)
Thumb Safety (More Than one "documented save" in a gun grab)
Ease of being able to be "worked on"
Pointability (Glocks don't fit my hand as well)
Longevity and Durability (already proven, plus it doesn't melt in a fire)
BikerRN
Cloudpeak
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How about "custom fitability"? Arched or flat mainspring, long or short trigger and lots of different grip options.
Besides being able to shoot the 1911's the best, I really like the "mechanics" of the pistol. Easy to find parts and easy to change out parts and customize to one's liking. The design is pure genius, IMO, and 1911's are much easier to detail strip/work on than the other few handguns I have experience with (XD, M&P and CZ).
Cloudpeak
Besides being able to shoot the 1911's the best, I really like the "mechanics" of the pistol. Easy to find parts and easy to change out parts and customize to one's liking. The design is pure genius, IMO, and 1911's are much easier to detail strip/work on than the other few handguns I have experience with (XD, M&P and CZ).
Cloudpeak
Fozzy_Bear
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As noted earlier; the reasons I would list are
1) trigger
2) trigger
3) thumb safety
4) flat for concealment
and
5) trigger
1) trigger
2) trigger
3) thumb safety
4) flat for concealment
and
5) trigger
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