1911's Vs. Other .45's

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I have to PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE.

I just reread my OP on this thread and crap I did say "for my benefit" that was selfish of me. Please one and all of you fogive me of my arrogance.
 
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I must say after handling a couple different 1911's I am starting to understand why pepole like them so much.

The grip is nice, given for me I can't stand the grips on those that protrude out about a half inch, feels kinda wierd. probably one of those aquired taste kinda things.
 
I have nothing to add beyond what everyone else has said. The 1911 is the only pistol that feels right in my hand. I have had a couple S&Ws including a 745, a Hi Power, a Taurus PT92 and a couple Glocks. The only guns I miss if I don't bring one to the range are the 1911s.
 
Let's see...
I've got these 2
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and I've got these 2
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Which do I prefer?....the loaded one I have in my hands :cool:
I have shot almost 100,000 rounds w/ these pistols...each feels natural, each makes look like a better shot than I really am, each has been reliable and each is a permanent member of the collective :D
 
for me its the simple things.

the multitude of safeties and knowing how they work makes me very comfortable with a round in the chamber.

the way it is so flat, or slim.

of course the trigger, and just the way it points.

other silly things like how you can take a standard style, "real 1911" and lay it on its side and silently and controllably chamber a round with one hand by inserting your thumb in the trigger gaurd and place your index finger on the takedown plug and squeeze. click, one handed ready to go.

i know there are others that will do this, but you have just got to try it on a colt to see what im talking about.

for the record, i have also had some trigger time with an hk usp and its a fine piece. but i like the colt better.
 
Great discussion: and in my opinion I love the Kimber Custom 10 Rnd. My friend bought one (USMC EOD and had a friend at Kimber that hooked them up) and let me shoot it and I was driving tacks. Perfect X's consistently, V's if you're to the rifle side of things. My only current .45 is a Glock 21 (love 13 rnds) which is pretty good but having to angle my wrist down a tad does suck since my other pistols are perfect angle (both Berettas).

So for the bottom line I will say is that the 1911 whether it be due to balance or other perfect craftsmanship just plain delivers. I have shot competition matches and would have loved to do it with the .45 as opposed to the M9 service pistol aka 9mm.
 
I am 25 and don't claim to be old and wooly, but I had younger days, before I learned, in which I felt like there had to be something better on the market than this finicky, antiquated design from 1911--years before my grandpa was born...

I did research and saved for years. And when I turned 21, I bought a USP Tactical 45. Greater capacity. Torture tests. A HSLD threaded barrel. These are things I noticed. But right off the bat, the pistol failed to perform as advertised. I got frequent FTF. Even when it functioned, the pistol was accurate, but the high bore axis gave it more muzzle flip than any full size .45 should have, and the trigger sucked. That they could call it "match" was bewildering.

Around this time my brother got a simple 1911 Gov Model, a Springfield Mil Spec, which he paid less than $500 for, NIB. This pistol functioned better, shot just as accurately than the HK, and what's more, it felt better in the hand, pointed better, and was easier to hit with.

I bought a Glock after the USP. I love the Glock. It too has proven to be twice the pistol the HK is at half the cost. But I still don't hit as well with it as I do with the 1911. In fact, of all the Berettas, and Rugers, and SIGs I've shot, none touch the 1911 for balance, ergonomics, and pointability.

I think that is what keeps the 1911 alive, and thriving, in an increasingly crowded marketplace. That is why soldiers still carry it into battle, and why the competition scene is dominated by them. And why my next handgun will more than likely be a 1911. Because no other pistol, past or present, combines the instinctive pointing and control placement, ergonomics, and balance of the 1911 with its excellent trigger and sights, with relatively potent defensive handgun cartridge in a package as reliable and consistently durable as the 1911. The 1911 is still the most shootable handgun on the market, in any cartridge. So most people can pick one up and do well with it. This, and those .45 caliber holes, inspires confidence. And confidence in your equipment goes a long ways to being effective with them when the time comes.
 
I'll cast my vote for a Kimber as well.....accurate out of the box, GREAT trigger compared to my Glocks, (only my S&W 357 has a nicer pull)...is a natural pointer...I just need to add an ambi safety due to being wrong-handed...
 
the 1911 is almost 100 years old and is pretty much unchanged. you have to admire that.
 
I love shooting my EAA Witness Elite Match just as much as any 1911 i've tried....plus the thing only cost me $500....hell of a deal
 
For me it's more of familiarization. I have shot 1911's for so long I feel very comfortable with them. However, I shot a Glock 30 two nights ago (first one I ever shot) and was pleasantly surprised. I am seriously thinking of pickiing up the G36. I do have some questions and will post them in another thread. But all in all, my 1911's have all shot great, have been extremely reliable and easy to find parts and modify--if any one wants to.
 

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MTMilitiaman,

Holy smookes, what an excellent post. I agree with you on virtually every aspect. I have tried all kinds of .45's, but the circle always comes back and ends at a 1911.

Very well written and poignant post.
 
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I can't believe you had a problem shooting a h&k usp .45

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once you shoot any 1911 .45 acp you have shot them all it is a tried and true design and a very well design
 
Why do people prefer the 1911 over all other .45 ACP. So here's the thread to talk about it.
I own two HK USPs, and quite a few 1911s.

The USP is a good reliable gun with a trigger that pretty much ruins the package. I shoot the USP OK, it fits my hand OK, but even the USP compact carries like a clock radio strapped under your jacket. It seems these pistols were not designed for CCW but many owners try to press them into that role. Fully loaded, they are heavy and they print like a bobcat in your britches. That's been my experience, even using good leather, trying to carry a HK USPc unobtrusively. I'm a 6'1" 250 pound male with years of experience concealing handguns. If I can't keep the thing hidden, it's fair to say there is a problem.

Remember that a 1911 is a style of pistol, not a specific gun. A more valid comparison would be between a specific 1911 and a HK product of equal market value. Saying "1911" is lumping Ed Brown's product in with stuff from islands in the west Pacific. It's like putting HK's in the same category as S&W Sigmas and KelTec pistols.

Let's compare the HK USP (either compact or full size) to a Colt 1911 such as the Colt Series 70, the Colt New Agent, or even the Colt NRM Series 80 1911. That's a fair comparison. The Colt product is reliable, accurate, and has a great trigger that can easily be altered to fit the shooter's desires if needed. The entire Colt pistol can be tailored to the shooter, in fact. If done properly, the pistol will remain reliable. If done on some gun hack's kitchen table, the pistol will be turned into an unreliable lump whether Colt or HK. But I digress.......The Colt product carries extremely well. With the right leather, it's about as obtrusive as an iPod. In fact, even with mediocre leather it conceals and carries very well. The only HK pistol that carries as well is the P7 series.

The Colt 1911 is accurate. It puts holes exactly where I want them to go. The HK product, again with the exception of the P7 series, does not do that for me. I suppose you could say that I just have to learn to manage the HK USP trigger. Well, I shoot double action revolvers very well, in double action. Between the ergonomics and the trigger of the HK USP and it's more recent sibling, whatever it is called, I do not have the same accuracy. I'm just not willing to devote any more range time learning to accurately manage a trigger that is poor to mediocre from the start just so I can defend myself with the latest flavor of Kool-Aid. I would rather pick a pistol I shoot better with from the start and concentrate on training and tactics. Training and Tactics keep you alive in a shooting. The latest Kool-Aid gives you bragging rights at the gun counter. I'd rather live through a shooting. That's why I carry a gun, and in fact, that is the entire purpose of a handgun, to give it's owner a portable life saving device. If he can not carry it concealed and use it effectively, it fails in it's role for him. Period.

I carry a gun and train to employ tactics with effective shooting to help me survive a threat to my life. Everything else is secondary to that. Rather than devote myself to learning a weapon that fails to meet my other criteria for an effective defensive pistol, namely the ability to carry it concealed and have it in my hands when I need it, because I could easily carry it, I simply relegated the USP to my pile of pistols that did not make the cut. That doesn't mean it's a bad pistol, it just means I found a pistol that serves me better for my intended use.

Over time, that happens to every shooter. We find our personal favorite. Some would say that the HKUSP has greater capacity. I say my spare magazines help balance my entire carry package. Some folks figure they need those extra bullets in the coming zombie apocalypse. I figure seven rounds +1 will get me out of a mugging or a liquor store robbery if I apply training and tactics well. If I need more ammunition, I have a spare magazine to cram into the gun while I am hunkering behind cover.

So that's why I prefer a 1911 after years of packing something else, after going through the wondernine revolution and considering the old GI gun to be an old man's gun, I realized that the 1911 and proper training and tactics was what I was looking for. That's why I prefer a 1911.
 
All very good points, but I tend to wonder why everyone is using the HK USP series as a comparison??? I speculate it's because that's the pistol I put in my OP and I can understand that. I have to agree with the slender design of the 1911 series, no matter what company makes it. I have yet to shoot one, STILL, but I am going to try one out the next time I go down to the range. I really want to feel what all the hype is about.

I agree with you all about the fact that it's also a preference thing. Some would say that the glock .45cal is the best .45cal out there. I was merely asking, really, what all the hype was about. Please keep the posts and opinions coming.

Well I am off to start up yet another thread. I just had a good idea, IMHO, to start up a thread about which one is the best poll...

Here I go.
 
Why is the USP series used for comparison against the 1911?

1) both can be carried locked and cocked
2) both have similar grip angles
3) locked and cocked, both have similar trigger reach
4) the USP 45 used to be the most ergonomic hi-cap .45 before the XD45. But its butt doesn't stick out as far when tucked in a waistband.

(yes, am USP fan)
 
To be fair I am not a 1911 guy. I think there are a lot of reasons they are so popular:

Old and proven design.

Very customizable, more so than any other pistol I can think of. Lots of good replacement/upgrade parts available.

Single action. I grew up on da/sa guns, but I admit sa is easier.

Single stack is comfy. It is also easy to carry concealed

Lots of good gunsmiths that work on them, some exclusively.

Very good looking design. Yes, I know guns are tools, but a pretty tool that works is better than an ugly tool that works the same. Only buy ugly if it is cheaper.

Variation. Anywhere between a three and six inch barrel is easily available.

Probably missing some things. I will get one someday.
 
Don't ever ask a 1911 afficionado ANYTHING about comparing it to anything else, let alone a polymer framed pistol. You will go away thinking that nothing with a polymer frame is a good tool. The 1911 is a great and wonderful design. If it were truly perfect, there would be no need for anything else besides revolvers, right? (They're needed to handle those big, mean magnum rounds).

Take a person who is trained well with a 1911 and put them next to a person who is well trained with an HK. What do you have? Two guys who are well trained with two different weapons. In a situation that requires more rounds (and no I'm not talking about either person missing his/her target, so don't start) the guy with the 1911 will be reloading sooner. Who cares? If you're satisfied with engaging multiple targets (if that's the situation) with 7+1 rounds, then doing a tactical reload if necessary....then fine. If you'd rather have 10 or more rounds before having to do that reload...then fine. You carry what you're good with and you don't judge anybody else for doing the same, even if it doesn't match your choice.

What really does make me laugh, however, is the idea that a person who else is well trained with ANY gun (especially the low capacity 1911) just can't miss in a fight. Too many factors can be involved to ensure of that, regardless of whether shooter and weapon both do their jobs. Misses (or hits that aren't quite what you wanted) can happen. The idea is to train to minimize those. And have enough ammo to keep fighting if you can't get away clean....
 
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