2012 Shortage/Hoarding Mega Thread
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Small pistol primers are gone in my area. Last I saw at a local gunshop were $40.00 a brick. Other components are available but are high. I've got 11,000 various primers and just ordered another 3,000 bullets today. I have 13,000 .22lr's in my anti-Obamanation stash. I don't know whats going to happen but I feel better prepared than last election. I load for everything I shoot except rimfires so I have no idea what ammo prices are doing.
Ignition Override
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If primers are missing in a given area (many will be seen at gun shows at scalper price$), contact a friend or relative elsewhere to buy some.
This happened in Memphis after the last election.
My brother up in Evansville bought about two hundred for me, in order to be able to learn reloading basics.
Some Bass Pro staff here claimed that they isolated a number of larger boxes of primers behind the shelves, but they could not be found for weeks on end. Maybe they stored some of them for a few friends?
On another note, doesn't heat and humidity in July-August reduce outside shooting and ammo demand?
Not much fun in the sun (or covered) with sweat running into one's eyes and shooting glasses.
This happened in Memphis after the last election.
My brother up in Evansville bought about two hundred for me, in order to be able to learn reloading basics.
Some Bass Pro staff here claimed that they isolated a number of larger boxes of primers behind the shelves, but they could not be found for weeks on end. Maybe they stored some of them for a few friends?
On another note, doesn't heat and humidity in July-August reduce outside shooting and ammo demand?
Not much fun in the sun (or covered) with sweat running into one's eyes and shooting glasses.
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WinThePennant
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Even the online ammo sellers are getting THIN on inventory. It's getting bad now, and we are aways off from the next election. When it looks like BO will pretty much win, then we can count on the cost of everything firearms related doubling or tripling in cost, perhaps.
only if people continue to hoard like mad... granted I have many more guns than one man could possibly need, but all of them save one or two cost $300 or less. probably time to buy a reloading press and a bunch of primers. I wonder how black powder shoots out of 7.62x39 reloads?
personally I don't understand why people are so paranoid. the guy who openly stated he is for control of dangerous "assault rifles" is one choice. the guy who is probably going to win has never made any serious overtures at gun control, not even to placate the rabid wing of his party. people project a lot onto him from all sides, but one thing I can tell you from watching him with open eyes and an open mind is that he's not is a martyr. and neither is the guy from Massachusetts who wanted to ban all "assault rifles."
so stop hoarding already so I can get some ammo now and again over the next year!
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I kinda consider the "Fast and Furious" debacle to be a serious overture. I'm wondering what he has in mind when he can be more "flexible" after the election...
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Willard Mitt Romney has a proven track record to show he feels about firearms: he even created the Massachusetts AWB. The man claims to have been a hunter "practically all my life", but has never purchased a hunting license. If you want to vote purely on 2nd amendment lines, neither the Republican candidate presumptive nor the president are close to ideal. Now, if you want to write in Ted Nugent, I'd be panicking for entirely different reasons... 
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David E
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Purchase Priority - what to buy
I'm curious what you folks think the proper purchase priority is for you right now: ammo, hicap mags or guns.
Ammo: most here remember the Obama inspired ammo shortage of 2008. Finding .223, .308, 9mm, etc, were very hard to find for about a year around here. .380 was impossible. Often, when found, it cost more than now, and/or you were limited to 6 boxes or less. If you found and bought a lot, you were called a "hoarder."
During that same time frame, hicap magazines were difficult to find and prices were also jacked up. Even 25 rd mags for a 10-22 were affected. I had to pay a higher price to get some that arrived months after the order was placed. Previously, prices were lower, items received in less than a week.
EBR's were in the same boat, with orders taking a year to fill on some things.
All 3 areas were reacting to the Obama presidency...which may rear its head again. He didn't sign or push for anything detrimental to gunowners, but many fear a second term would be much different, with Executive Orders being signed almost immediately.
Ammo probably won't be outlawed, but mags and EBR's might be, or be severely restricted quickly.
The answers will depend on what you currently own, but I'm still curious.
Buy an AR, 5 mags then 500 rds, then back to more mags? Or 5000 rds, then more AR's? Or more hicap mags for all your guns before ammo?
So, what to buy? How much or how many?
I'm curious what you folks think the proper purchase priority is for you right now: ammo, hicap mags or guns.
Ammo: most here remember the Obama inspired ammo shortage of 2008. Finding .223, .308, 9mm, etc, were very hard to find for about a year around here. .380 was impossible. Often, when found, it cost more than now, and/or you were limited to 6 boxes or less. If you found and bought a lot, you were called a "hoarder."
During that same time frame, hicap magazines were difficult to find and prices were also jacked up. Even 25 rd mags for a 10-22 were affected. I had to pay a higher price to get some that arrived months after the order was placed. Previously, prices were lower, items received in less than a week.
EBR's were in the same boat, with orders taking a year to fill on some things.
All 3 areas were reacting to the Obama presidency...which may rear its head again. He didn't sign or push for anything detrimental to gunowners, but many fear a second term would be much different, with Executive Orders being signed almost immediately.
Ammo probably won't be outlawed, but mags and EBR's might be, or be severely restricted quickly.
The answers will depend on what you currently own, but I'm still curious.
Buy an AR, 5 mags then 500 rds, then back to more mags? Or 5000 rds, then more AR's? Or more hicap mags for all your guns before ammo?
So, what to buy? How much or how many?
Need to stock up on more lead to cast my own. Raw material prices are only going to rise. Buy cheap primers whenever I find them.
Not being subject to the ebb and flow of the market due to political seasons does have it's advantages. Self sufficiency comes into play here. I have powder, primers, and lead on hand to last a while.
Not being subject to the ebb and flow of the market due to political seasons does have it's advantages. Self sufficiency comes into play here. I have powder, primers, and lead on hand to last a while.
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Lead and other components.
Fear drove the banic and manufacturers and retailers profited. When nothing happened banicky folks then regretted making those purchases (sometimes multiple purchases) and tried to sell for what they had in their guns after the prices had dropped. Now you can easily purchase AK type semis for $500 and AR semis for $700. Mags are back in the reasonable range as well.
The same banic may happen again, but I think it unlikely. Too many gun owners are sitting with guns in the closet and egg on their face that they can't get rid of.
The same banic may happen again, but I think it unlikely. Too many gun owners are sitting with guns in the closet and egg on their face that they can't get rid of.
WinThePennant
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My approach would be this (in this order).
Buy AR15 stripped lowers. You can get several for the price of 1 AR15 rifle. You can always build the AR15 later.
Buy hi capacity magazines.
Buy bullets.
Ignition Override
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hso:
As for "egg on their face", I've stated this before, but a single seller in July '09 listed over 45,000 rds. of Russian 7.62x39 ammo on Gunbroker.
Maybe this is normal for ammo and happens all the time.
Some people counted far over 60,000 rds., and his town was Keene, NH.
He might have been a scalper who saw the panic cooling off much faster than expected? All I can conclude is that such scalpers created the general impression that there was only an authentic shortage, not an artificially-induced shortage.
As for "egg on their face", I've stated this before, but a single seller in July '09 listed over 45,000 rds. of Russian 7.62x39 ammo on Gunbroker.
Maybe this is normal for ammo and happens all the time.
Some people counted far over 60,000 rds., and his town was Keene, NH.
He might have been a scalper who saw the panic cooling off much faster than expected? All I can conclude is that such scalpers created the general impression that there was only an authentic shortage, not an artificially-induced shortage.
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Yes they are. But regulations are not voted on by the people or the people's representatives. But, they have the force of law. If you can go to prison for not disposing of some trash in the proper way because of some regulation, who needs "laws". There are so many examples and they are real.
David E, I would buy what you need or feel you will need in the next couple of years.
Rising Cost of Ammunition
I am just curious as to anyone here has noticed a drastic rise in ammunition. Today I went to one of my favorite sporting goods stores to purchase my usual ammunition for practice at the range. For starter the shelves were practically empty, but for what was left, in specific, the .45 ACP rounds were more than triple the cost for the same ammunition that I purchased not more than a month ago. Did I miss some ammunition tax law that was passed recently? Has anyone else experienced similar situations?
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I am just curious as to anyone here has noticed a drastic rise in ammunition. Today I went to one of my favorite sporting goods stores to purchase my usual ammunition for practice at the range. For starter the shelves were practically empty, but for what was left, in specific, the .45 ACP rounds were more than triple the cost for the same ammunition that I purchased not more than a month ago. Did I miss some ammunition tax law that was passed recently? Has anyone else experienced similar situations?
[Mod note: Merged this with the existing thread on the topic. - Jorg]
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The economy is tanking. Look at the what the DJIA has done over the last two months. Even if Romney wins, he will not fix our primary problem, which is over spending. Now is the time to move money from corporate stocks and into survival stocks. Canned goods, ammo, and guns will soon be our new money.
Yes....demand is going up, supply is staying the same or decreasing, and thus prices are going up. Yes, people are seeing this all over the country, and not as a result of a conspiracy or tax, just plain old capitalism at work.
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EvilGenius
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Been hitting up Academy for target loads for the last few weeks and their shelves have been packed, heck theyre even allowing pistol ammo on the regular shelves now instead of behind the counter.
Prices dont seem to have changed over the last 3-4 months.
Prices dont seem to have changed over the last 3-4 months.
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Prices seem steady in OK, with only the occasional slight price increase.
Stock at WM seems a bit spotty as far as 9mm, .40 and .45 go.
I've not seen a Federal 100 pack of .223 in a few months, but Tula .223 and some Remington 20 rd boxes can be found.....sometimes.
Academy seems able to keep Hornady Steel Match in .223 in stock along with their "Zombie Max" green tipped premium ammo.
Stock at WM seems a bit spotty as far as 9mm, .40 and .45 go.
I've not seen a Federal 100 pack of .223 in a few months, but Tula .223 and some Remington 20 rd boxes can be found.....sometimes.
Academy seems able to keep Hornady Steel Match in .223 in stock along with their "Zombie Max" green tipped premium ammo.
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