Today one of our local sports shoppe that prints fishing/hunting reports in our local paper said they were at a buyers show and were told they expect another round of "shortages" in shooting merchandize this summer. The stuff they will be able to get is going to see a price increase. Think we are in for another run on what is on the shelf? I dunno. What do you guys think?
2012 Shortage/Hoarding Mega Thread
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Hocka Louis
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Already here... Place I deal with for ammo at least a year and a half now that has typically processed order, picked, packed and shipped it the same or next day is a week behind filling orders.
Pietro Beretta
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This was brought up at northwestfirearms.com, we have been reporting our local and online inventory for about a month, right now there is no shortage in our area. The local ammo shops, gun stores, wally world, sporting goods stores have stock and keep filling up when there are gaps.
firesky101
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Self fulfilling prophecy. Tell people there will be a shortage, they will panic buy and create one. It is going to happen, oh well I have enough stacked deep this time around to get me through. I learned my lesson last time about letting cheap deals pass me by.
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I agree with firesky. If I convince 20 people in the local area there will be a shortage, in a week there will be one.
Pietro Beretta
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All of the following have stock available. I can also still find small/large pistol primers without hassle at the moment.
http://www.sgammo.com/
http://www.ammoforsale.com/
http://ammoman.com/
http://www.sgammo.com/
http://www.sgammo.com/
http://www.ammoforsale.com/
http://ammoman.com/
http://www.sgammo.com/
M2 Carbine
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Yes there will be a shortage and high ammo costs.
Why? It doesn't really matter why. Gas and food are also increasing prices at a fast rate.
The fact is if you count on buying reasonably priced ammo whenever you want it, you will be disappointed.
The local Wal Mart just last week increased the price on their 22LR 550 bulk pack by $5.
That's a big jump at one time
Why? It doesn't really matter why. Gas and food are also increasing prices at a fast rate.
The fact is if you count on buying reasonably priced ammo whenever you want it, you will be disappointed.
The local Wal Mart just last week increased the price on their 22LR 550 bulk pack by $5.
That's a big jump at one time
OH NO, THERE IS GOING TO BE A SHORTAGE!!!!!!!!!! RUN OUT AND BUY EVERYTHING YOU CAN WHILE YOU STILL CAN!!!! PANIC PANIC PANIC!!!!! STRIP THE SHELVES BARE SO THAT EVERYONE ELSE WILL SEE EMPTY SHELVES AND THINK THERE IS A SHORTAGE AND PANIC AND BUY ONLINE SO THAT ONLINE SITES ARE BACKORDERED, LEADING TO EVEN MORE PANIC AND HIGHER PRICES!!!!!!!!!! BUY BUY BUY!!! ITS TEOTWAWKI TIME!!!!!
Seriously, I'm kind of sick of the "shortage" talks... Not saying it's not gonna happen, just annoyed that it seems like some people WANT it to happen... Like maybe people that bought in late '08 and '09 at sky-high prices and now need the $$$$ but don't want to take a loss selling at current market prices, so they create a "shortage" and then sell their surplus stock at a lower loss, break-even, or maybe even a profit.
Seriously, I'm kind of sick of the "shortage" talks... Not saying it's not gonna happen, just annoyed that it seems like some people WANT it to happen... Like maybe people that bought in late '08 and '09 at sky-high prices and now need the $$$$ but don't want to take a loss selling at current market prices, so they create a "shortage" and then sell their surplus stock at a lower loss, break-even, or maybe even a profit.
Ignition Override
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Pacsd:
Did you read about the same merchandizing tactic over a year ago?
Distributors last winter told buddies to expect at least a 10-20% ammo price increase by April or May, 2011.
It never happened. The motivation was to create a buyer-induced panic.
This tactic worked quite well after the election in 2008, but not for long.
In spring-summer of 2009, the sheep finally started to think for themselves.
This helps explain why a single Ammo Scalper in Keene, NH offered over 55,000 rds. of Russian 7.62x39 on Gunbroker in summer 2009...and all of it was available at the same time. He realized kind of late in "the game", that the panic was over. Suddenly, the scalpers were in a panic.
I estimated so many rounds of his/her 7.62x39 during that five-minute period, scanning items under his GB nickname.
Did you read about the same merchandizing tactic over a year ago?
Distributors last winter told buddies to expect at least a 10-20% ammo price increase by April or May, 2011.
It never happened. The motivation was to create a buyer-induced panic.
This tactic worked quite well after the election in 2008, but not for long.
In spring-summer of 2009, the sheep finally started to think for themselves.
This helps explain why a single Ammo Scalper in Keene, NH offered over 55,000 rds. of Russian 7.62x39 on Gunbroker in summer 2009...and all of it was available at the same time. He realized kind of late in "the game", that the panic was over. Suddenly, the scalpers were in a panic.
I estimated so many rounds of his/her 7.62x39 during that five-minute period, scanning items under his GB nickname.
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Ala Dan
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Smith & Wesson "back order's" are runn'in 350%* behind last years market~! Ever notice the shortage on 642's, 9 and 40 VE's, Governor's, some E-series semi-
auto's~? After all, 2012 is an election year~!
*info per an inside source at Smith & Wesson
auto's~? After all, 2012 is an election year~!
*info per an inside source at Smith & Wesson
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Another election year, another shortage...
As mentioned earlier, this really snowballs as soon as the "shortage" word is trotted out and doesn't really stop for months...
As mentioned earlier, this really snowballs as soon as the "shortage" word is trotted out and doesn't really stop for months...
beatledog7
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There's certainly no shortage of speculation about shortages.
BSA1
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Oh boy. Here we go again.
It's called panic buying until the need actually occurs. Then the namesayers are on the web complaining. On another web site there was horrible name calling for shooters that had brought a lot of primers before the last shortage occurred. The whiners were going as far as to say that shooters should be only allowed to buy 100 primers at a time.
Panic buying, hoarding, prepping, stockpiling or whatever you want to call it is simply capitalism at work. It is the individual's choice on how to spend their disposable income. You have the exact same choices.
I will give you a perfect idea of what some of you would consider a panic buying decision I am making. We are buying a 91 year old farm and there is not a tornado shelter. Goodland, KS and Joplin, MO have be hard hit and large portions of the cities were destroyed. I have been looking at underground shelters and pretty much decided on a 7 -13 person size.
Some of you no doubt are laughing at my decision because;
While tornados are very common where we live the actual probability of get hit by one is low.
The only ones using the shelter is my wife, our dogs and cats (well maybe on the cats), myself and adult daughter who is home infrequently.
The shelter is going to run around $6,000 installed.
The shelter will be rarely used as storm protection.
However I am making my decision on the following:
We stood on the porch of our home during one storm and watched 10 (thats right 10) funnel clouds form and drop down. Most of them did not touch down but it is believed at least one did causing property damage (the storm was front was 10 miles away and passing north of us).
I can save $2,000 by buying a smaller shelter but it will be used less than the bigger one.
On the other hand we can use a larger shelter for storage of food items, canned goods, and survival items. Big Sis recommends that you have enough food and water for at least two weeks in the event of a disaster. Not only can we store food but other survival items and guns. If our house is blown away we can even safely sleep in the shelter so we can stay on site during the clean-up and waiting for Big Sis to arrive.
Will I be able to recoup the cost of the shelter if I was to sell the farm? Probably some. Maybe not. I consider a lot of people every ignorant of the power of tornados.
While I also consider living on farm raising chickens, growing gardens, having a year supply of beef on the hoof in the pasture just everyday living I can see how some would consider it extremism since everything you need is just at the store....just like primers, powder, bullets....right....well maybe.
It's called panic buying until the need actually occurs. Then the namesayers are on the web complaining. On another web site there was horrible name calling for shooters that had brought a lot of primers before the last shortage occurred. The whiners were going as far as to say that shooters should be only allowed to buy 100 primers at a time.
Panic buying, hoarding, prepping, stockpiling or whatever you want to call it is simply capitalism at work. It is the individual's choice on how to spend their disposable income. You have the exact same choices.
I will give you a perfect idea of what some of you would consider a panic buying decision I am making. We are buying a 91 year old farm and there is not a tornado shelter. Goodland, KS and Joplin, MO have be hard hit and large portions of the cities were destroyed. I have been looking at underground shelters and pretty much decided on a 7 -13 person size.
Some of you no doubt are laughing at my decision because;
While tornados are very common where we live the actual probability of get hit by one is low.
The only ones using the shelter is my wife, our dogs and cats (well maybe on the cats), myself and adult daughter who is home infrequently.
The shelter is going to run around $6,000 installed.
The shelter will be rarely used as storm protection.
However I am making my decision on the following:
We stood on the porch of our home during one storm and watched 10 (thats right 10) funnel clouds form and drop down. Most of them did not touch down but it is believed at least one did causing property damage (the storm was front was 10 miles away and passing north of us).
I can save $2,000 by buying a smaller shelter but it will be used less than the bigger one.
On the other hand we can use a larger shelter for storage of food items, canned goods, and survival items. Big Sis recommends that you have enough food and water for at least two weeks in the event of a disaster. Not only can we store food but other survival items and guns. If our house is blown away we can even safely sleep in the shelter so we can stay on site during the clean-up and waiting for Big Sis to arrive.
Will I be able to recoup the cost of the shelter if I was to sell the farm? Probably some. Maybe not. I consider a lot of people every ignorant of the power of tornados.
While I also consider living on farm raising chickens, growing gardens, having a year supply of beef on the hoof in the pasture just everyday living I can see how some would consider it extremism since everything you need is just at the store....just like primers, powder, bullets....right....well maybe.
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If you shoot regularly, I would hope that the last "shortage" taught you something if you were unprepared. I buy ammunition monthly whether I need it or not. Then if a shortage occurs, the ammunition in my cache is sufficient to allow me to weather any reasonable time period where ammunition may be more difficult to obtain. Call it dollar cost averaging....
Those nice "shelters" that were on Discovery Channel (the preppers) ran about 50K for the structure and then you have installation and site prep.
Those nice "shelters" that were on Discovery Channel (the preppers) ran about 50K for the structure and then you have installation and site prep.
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I'm fully stocked up on primers, powder, bullets and brass. I've been building my supply over the last two years. If there is going to be a shortage, it won't affect me. I can kick back and laugh at all the people buying primers for $80/brick.
Once a Republican gets into the whitehouse, it'll be all over. I've got plenty of components to carry me for about two years.
Once a Republican gets into the whitehouse, it'll be all over. I've got plenty of components to carry me for about two years.
The prices so far haven't gone up any more than the usual year to year increases, but the distributors are out of nearly all high demand firearms, and cheap ammo sells out within hours of coming in. I think the manufacturers learned from '08 though, and they will seize the opportunity to make as much as possible. Add that to all the new shooters entering the market with the more broad acceptance of concealed carry, and all the gun shows now on TV, it should be an interesting year.
M2 Carbine
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I could stay busy just teaching new shooters who never before had any interest in buying a gun.
Last month I went to the gun show with two new (female) shooters to help them pick out guns.
After the ladies decided on what they wanted, they were told it would be an hour before they could do the paperwork because the dealer was backed up with gun sales. The dealer had five employees doing the 4473.
The rest of the big dealers looked about as busy. First time ever I saw the big dealers have empty spaces on their tables where groups of guns were sold out.
Lately I've been in Cabelas and Cheaper Than Dirt and couldn't hardly get to the gun counter.
All these new guns need ammo.
ObsidianOne
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Went to the local gun shop, they claim they are being cleaned out and everyone is buying up, that I need to buy my powder and primers now.
Bought 1 lb of powder and 1,000 primers, which is what I need at the moment.
Another gunshop in the area, who is known for price gouging ($75 for a box of 100 .45 ACP Winchester White Box, 35 for Remington Thunderbolt .22 bulk pack), likes to buy up all the ammo at Walmart when this happens and resell at high prices.
Went to Walmart, and they were pretty stocked. Picked up a couple bricks of .22 just in case.
I think this is exactly what most think it is, a self fufilling prophecy. Keep making shortage threads and telling people to stock up and you'll find your ammo isn't on the shelf anymore.
Bought 1 lb of powder and 1,000 primers, which is what I need at the moment.
Another gunshop in the area, who is known for price gouging ($75 for a box of 100 .45 ACP Winchester White Box, 35 for Remington Thunderbolt .22 bulk pack), likes to buy up all the ammo at Walmart when this happens and resell at high prices.
Went to Walmart, and they were pretty stocked. Picked up a couple bricks of .22 just in case.
I think this is exactly what most think it is, a self fufilling prophecy. Keep making shortage threads and telling people to stock up and you'll find your ammo isn't on the shelf anymore.
Black Duck Charlie
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Actually, Redneck, it'll be more of the same -- with only slight variance and under a different name.
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I'm a little short on .410 and 12 gauge shells but other than that I'm good.
Black Duck Charlie
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I remember 2008, when guns and ammo were going to be outlawed..... The people doing the prophesying got all the gun nuts out buying up everything they could find. Well, here it is 2012, and every type of ammo that was going to be banned back in '08 is still available; it costs a bit more than in 2001, but it's still available. In August '08 the price of .30-30 ammunition was less than $13 a box; in August '09 it was more than $16 a box. Pistol ammunition went from $20 to more than $40. It wasn't until last year that prices started going down, but they still are not where they were in '07. The fear-mongers "prophesied" a major shortage, if not out-right ban, of ammunition -- and because so many fools believed it, the prophecy came true.
Looks like the fear-mongers are at it again, and the fools will believe it, again.
Looks like the fear-mongers are at it again, and the fools will believe it, again.
..Just picked up 1000 rounds of Wold Military classic 7.62x39 for $210....
Going to get a little more, and a few bulk packs of .22lr...
Whats trippin me out is the prices on guns. 6 months ago, I could have gotten a Taurus 85 for well under $300. Now they are (in most places) like $10 away from the Smith and Wesson.
Going to get a little more, and a few bulk packs of .22lr...
Whats trippin me out is the prices on guns. 6 months ago, I could have gotten a Taurus 85 for well under $300. Now they are (in most places) like $10 away from the Smith and Wesson.
Partly true.
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You can click each name to see their record.
FROGO207
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I am a gatherer at heart. I always add to my supply of ammo/components as I have the money to spare and try to keep at least two years ahead on supplies. So I will probably be thought of as a hoarder at the least.:banghead: While all I want is to be able to go target shooting whenever the want arises regardless of what is on the store shelves.
Black Duck Charlie
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Really? 21 CENTS for ONE round? I hope you're not complaining about that. The 6.5x50 ammo for my Arisaka costs $1.20 to $2.00 per round (only place I can get it without paying shipping/"dangerous cargo" fees is Cabela's). For my .30-30, it's 70 cents to $1.25
16 gauge shotgun? Forget it.
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