2012 Shortage/Hoarding Mega Thread

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missingBi-mart today, the shopping never ends !

They had SHELVES of UMC bulk in every caliber offered.

The good stuff behind the counter looked fairly well stocked across the board, and not the chump boxes.

They had a PALLET of 22LR in federal, and ALL of the CCI 22lr variations were in stock.

They had ALL PRIMERS in stock, perhaps a shelf full behinds the counter as well... particularly counted SPP- they had 4k and an open 1k pack with 700 still in it.

They also had ALL POWDERS, 4-5# of each

Their bullet selection was good as well- all the usual stuff was there.

Only thing that seemed missing was slugs and buck... they said they usually don't reorder after season.
 
Look at the FBI background checks the last 3 years sales have gone up and not down.
More people are buying firearms and ammo more now than in the last 30 years.
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I wonder how much of that is really just geezers "pushing the pieces around" in their collections now that Gunbroker has turned everybody's kitchen table and telephone into an opportunity to buy/sell.

I've sold as many guns in the last year as I bought in the same time frame, and quite a few if I bother to count.
That will pump up some NICS numbers for sure.
 
It's not just guns, ammo, and supplies, it's spaces in the clubs too... in my area, there are perhaps 2 dozen gun clubs. All have "caps" on the total number of members they will have at any given time. For many years, all of these clubs operated below those caps, but within the last year, every one of those clubs has reached their cap and closed the doors. It's led to a lot of police reports due to illicit target shooting on (other people's) private property and small patches of woods wholly unsuitable for target shooting (houses too close, etc).
 
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Only thing that seemed missing was slugs and buck... they said they usually don't reorder after season.
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Local Turner's has a sale next month. 150 rounds of low recoil "tactical" :)rolleyes:) 12GA 00 Buck in a plastic ammo can for $99.

It's tactical, so it probably won't last long...
 
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I wonder how much of that is really just geezers "pushing the pieces around" in their collections now that Gunbroker has turned everybody's kitchen table and telephone into an opportunity to buy/sell.
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Not much. I was buying stuff off Gunbroker a decade ago, and GunsAmerica as far back as 15 years ago. That's nothing new.

No, a whole lot of these sales are new guns, and brand-spanking-new gun owners. NSSF does market analysis studies and reports, and they gathered data directly from the manufacturers. And I've been seeing scores of new gun owners join my local club for the past four years.
 
Yup. Create the hysteria with a little fearmongering and the manufacturers rake in the bounty at our expense.

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Just got back from wally world on a trip with the wife.

They had just about everything in stock.
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That was not the case at my local wally world. The had 3 boxes of 9mm WWB 100 ct and 2 50ct. They were completely out of any and all .223 and .308.

The lady at the counter told me that they do not order ammo, it's done automatically. If that's the case, I seriously doubt that our wally world will have much to offer as the election gets closer.
 
Went by Wally world again yesterday to grab another .45 value pack and they were almost completely out of handgun ammo.

Dunno if it's part of the "rush" or I just swung by at the wrong part of the week.
 
@ krow- get their order received date.

Be there at 9am.
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I'd rather not go there at all, but, that being said, there's little guarantee that someone will actually be at the counter. Around here, it's our "ammo lottery."

Your wally world has stockers?!?! :what:
 
A walmart near my house today was almost out of ammo when I stopped by this afternoon. No .223 at all a few boxes of expensive 45 and maybe 6 boxes of expensive 9mm. There was more on the shelves, but they usually have a ton of those calibers.

Can't wait for the hysteria to really hit.
 
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I wonder how much of that is really just geezers "pushing the pieces around" in their collections now that Gunbroker has turned everybody's kitchen table and telephone into an opportunity to buy/sell.
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Not much. I was buying stuff off Gunbroker a decade ago, and GunsAmerica as far back as 15 years ago. That's nothing new.

No, a whole lot of these sales are new guns, and brand-spanking-new gun owners. NSSF does market analysis studies and reports, and they gathered data directly from the manufacturers. And I've been seeing scores of new gun owners join my local club for the past four years.
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Well, that's a relief.

So it wasn't my fault after all.

Can somebody please notify my wife?
 
I still have ammo left over from before the '08 panic - '09 shortage. I have several boxes of .45 ACP still marked @ $9.99. Maybe 10 Bricks of .22lr marked @$8.99 :eek:.

Yeah, kinda old; but all brand names. No Milsurp ammo.
I haven't even counted all the .38spl I have in ammo cans :eek:.

I should be shooting well past any shortage that may come up without purchasing anything but cleaning supplies :neener: ;).
That given I only get out to shoot maybe every 6 weeks or so :banghead:.

Gotta work on that, though the fuel prices are not helping any.....:fire:.
I'll find something to give up so I can keep my shooting skills up.
 
Well, lets see...

I suppose one advantage of being in Iraq in 09 is I did not get acutely affected by the shortage. On my internet adventures when I had the rare chance I was able to buy all the reloading supplies I wanted, except for the actual powder and primers. I came home and in 2010 I could get what I needed for my start in to reloading.

However I did and still follow metal markets, and there is lots of great things to talk about here, but the bottom line is two very distinct things to look at.

The first is its not just the ammunition industry that uses copper, lead, zinc, brass, bronze, steel and whatever other metals that are used. In fact I would say that the ammunition industry does not even account for much of any of the use of those metals, even in a down market. Metal is durable and you can sell it with ease to anyone you want, unlike perishable goods.
It takes a decent amount of lag time to produce ammunition. Even excluding primer compounds and powder compounds it takes a long time to go from recycled metal or mined metal to produce a round of ammunition. Couple in the volatile nature of these items, its tough to try to purchase and sit on these items, even if the trends are generally up.
If you buy one hundred thousand dollars of copper and the market drops even ten percent that is a significant loss that you bought out on. And with ammunition that makes the loss all the more significant.

The second aspect is coupled with that first item.
Ammunition as a end product is not considered perishable or quick to slip in to obsolescence. What this means is it is not an item that has a shelf life of days, weeks months or even a hand full of years. Even on this single thread multiple people have mentioned that they have stuff from several years or even decades ago. What this means is its not like a bag of lettuce you buy at the store. Its not going to typically bite you later or "go to waste" It will still be there functioning decades later. This makes it really easy to buy and buy and buy because you can see it there five years later. It is satisfying in its own way.

As others have pointed out there are a lot more shooters in the ranks now. Or firearm owners.

And yes some of this is self fulfilling in the community we are all apart of.

And lessons from 08/09 were learned hard. How many people are part of the Great Depression generation or have family members that were? Even in times of plenty people that suffered in that time still made sure they were prepared or would not go though a shortage again. Its a similar thing here.

I've gone from shooting frequently hundreds of rounds a month to thousands to shooting zero due to a move and new job. But I'm still watching and purchasing where I can because I will be going back in to it again.
 
I was worried I wouldn't get my last order from Palmetto State Armory but they got it sorted. Prvi 55 gr M193 is good stuff and I usually buy it from an online retailer in 200rd packs when they have it (if the price is 63-66 bucks)

I haven't seen 'shortages' around Denver, just high prices.

Bass Pro Shops Remington 55 gr 223/5.56 fmj = $9.99/box of 20. They had it stacked in mass quantity. They had a ton of bulk pack 45 grain varmint rounds, so if I had a 1 in 12 twist Mini or older AR that wouldn't be a big deal.

Gander Mountain ahd a bunch of the bulk pack 45 gr varmint rounds. And Federal M193 in ammo cans BUT at over $200 for 400 rounds.

Dick's usually has Wolf (which I don't use). I haven't seen .223/5.56 in any quanity at any Walmart in a while.

My big issue was not doing my reloading over the winter break like I promised myself I'd do.
 
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I just buy a box or two of something, everytime I go to walmart.
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With the lone exception of my recently acquired case of Wolf military classic 7.62x39, this too is my general approach to "just in case".

I admit I need a little more .30-06, .40 and .22lr around. Just in case AND to shoot.

The local indoor range does not allow anyone to shoot Tula ammo, so I figure I can spend $20 on 4 boxes when I'm out spending $100+ for what seemed like 5 items at Wally world. Its going to sit in the bottom of my gun cabinet and not deppreciate, end up in the trash, or go down the toilet etc.

I'm a little more hesitant to drop $30+ on .40 (They sometimes have WWB 100 round value pack for like $32), or $35 on WAY less of .30-06 (that I have yet to shoot..lol)..

I'm not contributing to a panic of a frenzy, just spending a few bucks here and there on both the comforts of "just in case" AND "I enjoy shooting this, and it makes spending $100 seem a bit more of a perceived value as opposed to toilet paper and such".

One of these days I intend to spend a few hundred or so and start some simple reloading for .40 and .30-06. Not to stockpile or anything, but for the two previously fore-mentioned reasons.

As for the shortage and prices stuff.. I'll say what I said earlier. I find it very odd that 6 months ago, if that, I could buy a Taurus 85 stainless for $300 or less, now they are priced $10 cheaper than a S&W air-weight at like $360ish.
 
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I'm doing the opposite of hoarding; I'm considering just selling my gun stuff; it's not like I regularly get a chance to shoot it.
 
Here in Baton Rouge - went to a gunshow yesterday, cabela's and bass pro shop. No shortage of any type of ammo and prices were not jacked up.

The gunshow suppliers were undercutting bass pro and cabelas by 2-3 dollars a box.

example: $17 for a box of Hornady .45 auto +p 230 gr xtp instead of $21 at the big box stores
 
No shortage here in SC... Gun show today had several tables full of primers priced @ $25-30 per 1K (at least 3 of the tables each had 100K+ primers). TONS of ammo. One table had 2 pallets of $210-$230/case Russian .223, that each had about 35K left on them. Also saw rows or AR's. Not too many AK's and only a few SKS's. Several tables actually had reasonable prices on new and used handguns and a decent selection as well. The show ran yesterday and today. I didn't make it until this morning, and there was still all that left after what was most likely a busy Saturday sales day. (I've gone before on Saturday and waited in line for 15-30mins just to get in)
 
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Went to bass pro a couple of times over the last few days to get some reloading supplies.

They had plenty of everything and the prices were about on par.
 
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