.22 LR and Handguns

[Sylvan-Forge]

Actually, now that I think about it, 3/4" plywood may not be the best bone equivalent ... looking now for something better ...


average skull thickness = ~6.1mm
skull material density = ~2088 kg/m3
other properties = not yet found


... better yet, I'll drop it here and say to ignore my mad ramblings and I'll start another thread so as to not confound this one further.

 

[1shotonly]

.22 accuracy

If you're talking about accuracy:

About 10 years ago I Bench rested a my Ruger MkII with a 5-1/2" Bull Barrel on sandbags at the 100 yard range with a 7x scope, and test 16 different types and brands of .22LR ammo. I don't remember all the figures but I remember the best and the worst. The worst was any of the hypervelocity rounds, most averaged 6"-8" groups at 100yrds, the worst thought were the Yellow Jackets, they grouped about 14" @100yrd. The best, of the ones I tried at that time, were the expensive Eley Tenex rounds(though Lapua might be better now), they gave groups averaging less than 2" with the best 5-shot group at just under 1". It's interesting to note however that one of the least expensive, some Winchester .22LR rounds they sold at the range for about $3, were almost as good as the expensive stuff, giving groups about 2-1/2". None of the stuff I tried from CCI worked out very well, falling about the middle of the pack.

If you are talking about a .22 round out of a 2.4" barrel for self defense then:

It really doesn't matter, what ever you use will be fine, they will all poke a painful hole in the guy and they all can be deadly if they land in the right spot. Any of them will work, even the .22 short might be a good idea, it might give the effect of having a slightly longer barrel for the bullet to accelerate in.

 

[haybaler]

I can't vote because I don't know what would be best. When I was in the cattle business once a year we would slaughter a steer or an old cow for our own freezer. One .22 shot from a rifle between the eyes and that 1000 lb. animal drops like a rock. The same thing happened to the son of my friend from an accidental shooting. .22's may not be the best choice but if it's what you have it beats the hell out of hand to hand or a knife. I know you were asking for opinions on specific bullet weights so I'm a little off topic but since others brought it up I thought I would throw in my own .02.

 

[3sixbits]

I use the WINCHESTER .22 LR Super X 40 grain loads, and nothing else as they have killed many thousands of pound of meat for me. The work on moose, elk , blacktail and mule deer. Only one country in this world issued other that the .22 LR for assassins and that was GB with the .455. But then again not a trauma center in the country likes to deal with GS wounds from the lowly .22 rimfire.

 

[wcwhitey]

SM, amen brother, well written. I could not have expressed my opinions better. Bill

 

[swoter]

My father worked in a sausage plant for many years, and up to probably 20 years ago, they used a single-shot 22 rifle to kill the hogs. I don't remember if he told me just where they were shot, but it would only take one bullet 99% of the time. These were the old and very big hogs that were pretty much useless for any other cuts of meat.

 

[Wheeler44]

He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day

I did not vote. for the price of .22 rounds buy the best for the gun in question. accuracy is always best. that said, I guarantee that I can run faster on both legs than anyone can with two .22lr in one of theirs. I can probably fight better on both legs with an empty derringer in my hand than most people can with two .22lr in them anywhere. Ideal SD round, NO!! Better than nothin', heck yes.

 

[PedalBiker]

I didn't vote either. The options give rifle velocities and you're asking about a handgun with a very short barrel.

I'd chrono all of them first, then consider the options. I bet you'd be surprised by the stinger - it makes a really big and bright yellow flame ball from my 4" Mark III.

I like the Stinger and Velocitor in a rifle, but it depends on how slow the powder is whether it'll be any good in a handgun.

 

[BigFatKen]

That 60gr bullet would not likely stabilize in typical .22 rifling, so your penetration would suck.

Not true out to at least 25 yards and then run away. Some say 75 yards but that is not the point here. I use these all the time around my house. Will not function a factory semi.

Very quiet. The Mossad used these in modified semiauto pistols at, where was that in the 70's Lillyhammer? Of course they had 6" inch barrels, with two shooters who shot 'til their mags were empty while others were cover and backup. They don't mess around. One Arab got three 30 round mags of 9mm from three sides from Uzi's while the women in the four person team rolled tape. Much better system.

Good post. I have a 5 shot revolver with 1.5" barrel and I always wondered if the 60 gr was better than my normal choice 40gr of CCI Mini-Mags for my backup to my S&W .357 hammerless which backs up my Glock 21 (.45 ACP).

A very good link. I never thought the 60 bullet would have only 600 fps and it would be less from my 1.5" thing.

 

[BigFatKen]

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[Sylvan-Forge]

The Mossad used these in modified semiauto pistols at, where was that in the 70's Lillyhammer? Of course they had 6" inch barrels,

Something like this, I think...

 

[borrowedtime69]

my choice

i would use the 40 grain Velocitors from CCI for the following reasons:

1. 40 gr bullet has a good weight and mass to it, it should hold together upon penatration and provide the inertia need for deep penatration.

2. it will still be able to get good speed rather than the over large 60 grainers. that will help the inertia too.


if a bullet is too light and fast it wont penatrate, if its too heavy you wont get the inertia up high enough to do real damage, it may not even get through clothing very well. you must have a good balace of weight and speed. -Eric

 

[BigFatKen]

SSS had several failures

*Function (shoot as many as you need to feel confident that the rounds will indeed fire.)

I should have added that I took the Augula SSS off my list when they had 3 failures to fire about half way into my brick of 500 which is about 5 years old.