22 LR Rounds for "Defense"

[skoro]

In the situation you describe, I'd use Winchester 40gr Powerpoints or CCI Velocitors. Out of a rifle, I think they'd be the most capable of doing what's needed.

 

[Onward Allusion]

Which does NOT include PUBLIC Hotels/Motels. Unless you were given direct permission from the owner of the Hotel/Motel. And if you get caught carrying on your front porch in Chicago and the surrounding burbs, good luck and get a good attorney. Southern Illinois is a bit more relaxed about it because of all us hunters and such. But you would have hell to pay if you stepped out armed, even on your own lawn, up around the burbs.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/bil...0&GA=96&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=40199&SessionID=76

Adds "dwelling" to definition. Hotel is ok.

 

[David E]

Having recently rediscovered .22 rimfire, I'm thinking, in good hands using good technique, can be a viable defense caliber.

At 100 yds shooting a full size IPSC target off-hand, I can hit it 3 times before the clang of the first shot makes it back to me.

Handguns make it easy to fire a fast burst into a face size target out to ten yards or more.

Ideal, no. Viable, yes.

 

[ironhead7544]

The Velocitors have a Gold Dot bullet. I would use that. The SSS would also be good. Some rifles will shoot OK with the SSS. My CZ452 shoots 1 inch at 50 yards but the bullets are keyholing. The Ruger 22/45 pistol shoots about 2 inches at 25 yards. With a 1 in 9 twist the SSS is very accurate in a rifle. Reportedly it will penetrate a human skull at 200 yards which is what it was designed to do out of suppressed rifles.

Whatever you use, make sure it works 100% in your rifle.

 

[Four Knives]

Consider a Kel Tec Sub 2000

NutNFancy has a pretty good (albeit long) video on YouTube 'bout 'em.


If I'm boxed in to answer your original question... see RCModel's post on page 1 - smart man, that one!

 

[HGM22]

I don't think many places would have a problem with a short double barrel shotgun (no mag, scary features, etc.). If you're limited to .22LR that's one thing, but if not there's better choices.

 

[David E]

At the range today, I used my .22 Buckmark firing 6 rd bursts on an IPSC target at 7 yds.

Starting at High Ready, I easily and repeatedly put 6 rds into 3" or less in 1.35-1.5 seconds.

I think that would dissuade most people, presuming only one assailant, of course.

If you're relying on a .22 for defense, then you darn well better practice with it. A lot.

 

[jwash3rd]

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/bil...0&GA=96&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=40199&SessionID=76

Adds "dwelling" to definition. Hotel is ok.

If you are in IL outside of Cook county and a few other municipalities you can carry outside of your room in a hotel/motel only with the permission of the management. You are a guest there, not a resident. In and around Chicago you can carry if you are a Gangster Disciple, Latin King, New Black Panther, etc. with Rahm's blessing.

 

[45_auto]

At the range today, I used my .22 Buckmark firing 6 rd bursts on an IPSC target at 7 yds.

Starting at High Ready, I easily and repeatedly put 6 rds into 3" or less in 1.35-1.5 seconds.

I think that would dissuade most people, presuming only one assailant, of course.

If you're relying on a .22 for defense, then you darn well better practice with it. A lot.

How fast was the IDPA target moving? Was it moving directly at you or dodging to the side to avoid your fire? Did it have a knife or stick in it's hand that you were focused on instead of your front sight?

Unless you start shooting before your attacker moves, your reaction time is going to take away a good part of that 1.5 seconds.

There's many good reasons that cops and military don't carry a .22RF for defense.

However, if its' all you have, it's much better than nothing.

 

[HoosierQ]

Just to be clear. The purpose of the post...my question...is with a 22 LR in hand, what ammo for defense. This has been very well answered by many helpful folks in the area of CCI Hi-Velocity Solids and other hi performance ammo.

When I travel down South or out West, I take my Glock...because I can legally do so.

 

[David E]

How fast was the IDPA target moving? Was it moving directly at you or dodging to the side to avoid your fire? Did it have a knife or stick in it's hand that you were focused on instead of your front sight?

Gee, none of those things happened! I was at the range practicing.....

Unless you start shooting before your attacker moves, your reaction time is going to take away a good part of that 1.5 seconds.

If you are on the street with a holstered, concealed gun and your first clue that something is amiss is when you are attacked by a bobbing, weaving armed attacker, your astute observation is true, regardless of your handgun caliber.

However, I was of the impression the OP wanted a .22 for hotel room defense. In which case, you'd have some warning as they tried to kick in your reinforced locked door.

There's many (sp) good reasons that cops and military don't carry a .22RF for defense.

Probably the same reasons that I don't, either. Which is why I suggested a SxS 12 gauge shotgun or Sub Rifle earlier.

However, if its' all you have, it's much better than nothing.

Which was my point. IF you are relying on a .22 for defense, you better practice with it. A LOT.

 

[ActionJax]

A kid I once knew used to shoot Geese with a .22 LR (not exactly legally).... He could drop 'em nearly every time with an upper chest shot. (not even a headshot)

Watching those big ole birds drop gave me a LOT more respect for the (so-called) "lowly" .22LR. I'm a LOT more careful when I shoot them around the ranch now .....

Not such thing as JUST a 22......

 

[LAK]

Any .22 solid will penetrate better than a buckshot pellet of equal weight, so to make an objective comparison it can be said that a "burst" in the hand manipulated context of ten .22 solids center mass will likely be at least as effective as a similar buckshot pattern of less or equal weight pellets. The vital tissue damage will be in proportion.

The .22 pistol is easy to master with even a moderate amount of practice. Most people of average ability can work up to a level where they can pepper center mass on a target well past the 7 yard mark very quickly. More deliberate shooting and placing accurate repeat shots anywhere on the target then becomes very easy indeed. With an autoloading .22 rifle it is a piece of cake.

 

[David E]

.....it can be said that a "burst" in the hand manipulated context of ten .22 solids center mass will likely be at least as effective as a similar buckshot pattern.....

I totally disagree with this part. Right away, a 12 gauge 00 Buck load has 9 pellets of .33 caliber. Each weighing anout 60 grains.

At my range session yesterday, I was putting 6 rds on target in less than a second, first shot to last. (taking out reaction time)

Let's say I had a stellar run of 9 rds (same number of projectiles in a 12 gauge 00 Buck load) achieving .15 splits all the way thru. Total time from first shot to last would be 1.20 seconds. Contrast that to 9 pellets hitting the soft target simultaneously in the same nano-second.

The #4 buckshot pellet is .24 caliber and weighs 20 grains. But they're able to pack 27 of those into a 2 3/4" shell. Firing a .22 with the aforementioned .15 splits (near impossible to do 27 times in a row) total time would be 3.9 looooonng seconds versus a single nano-second.

There's no comparison as to which one will do more damage and have more effect.

Given the choice, I'm going with a 12 gauge for defense every time.

 

[PapaG]

The SSS by Aguila do not stabilize in standard twists, actually need something around 1 in 7". Still heavy. Not fast. Tradeoff.
Velocitors are full weight 40 grain, semi-hollow point and are advertised at 1400 fps out of a rifle. I have a 10-22 with a 25 round mag full of them in a handy spot....also has light, red dot and laser. (mainly for cat/dog grabbing coyotes in our sub..suburban area.
Would not choose a 22 for defense but these would be the best there is that are commonly available.

 

[howards]

20 ga. pump.

 

[Art Eatman]

Sufficient info. Closed per OP request.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Instead of a takedown .22, why not a Kel Tec Sub2000? Folds in half to fit a 17" laptop bag.

Sufficient info. Closed per OP request.

Err.......

 

[Gordon]

I have been known to carry my cute little hard cased Browning Auto takedown into resorts with narry a look. I usually use CCI Stingers but the Remington Sub Sonic .22 LR HP do function well and are half as loud . I really don't think of it as a defensive weapon tho, more of a useful recreational piece.