.22 rangetime and pregnancy

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I shot regularly while my wife was pregnant. My son never had any lead issues. He is graduating from High School tomorrow and starting college in the Fall. I hugged my wife many times after arriving home from a day at the range while a range officer while she was pregnant. He is okay.

Well if your boy is going to college, he must be okay. Of course, it could be the lead that kept him from certain scholarships or performing up to his full potential, etc.

Such poisoning tends to produce gradient effects depending on exposure. So it won't be like he has a third arm growing out of his head sort of obviousness unless the poisoning was severe.

If you are older than 50, your mom probably had a glass of wine with dinner to get over the morning sickness, and most of you came out fine. Heck, she may have even smoked./QUOTE]

No, the problem is children were not coming out 'fine,' hence the prohibitions against these behaviors.

The bottom line is that neurological insults are never a good idea for a developing brain.
 
It's risky behavior, that's the bottom line. If it wasn't we wouldn't have threads like this one.

Why you would expose your developoing unborn child to this type of risk is beyond me.

If you are older than 50, your mom probably had a glass of wine with dinner to get over the morning sickness, and most of you came out fine. Heck, she may have even smoked.

Yes, but this is before we collectively knew better!
 
Well if your boy is going to college, he must be okay. Of course, it could be the lead that kept him from certain scholarships or performing up to his full potential, etc.

Or it could be lead deficiency that's keeping him out of some artistic field.

I'd avoid .22lr for the lead exposure reason, though; it seems to be the softest lead out there, and even Golden Bullets leave a layer on my fingers after a few hundred. What about a 9mm carbine, or a .357 carbine shooting .38Spl? Either will allow you to use real FMJ ammo, with the option of completely lead-free ammo, and both tend to be pretty low recoil and low noise. If you want her practicing with a pistol, .32ACP FMJ is still fairly cheap, and in anything heavier than a KelTec, recoil is all but nonexistent. A 1903 Colt in .32 is a great choice for recoil sensitive women if you can find one - if you wanted to pay the extra to get it silenced, it would be just about perfect, though you'd be waiting most of the pregnancy for the paperwork to get done.
 
DoubleNaughtSpy,

I guess you missed this line:
Now wait a minute - now that I think of it maybe that is why he....oh forget it, that was the mercury from the broken thermometer that the docs said was the cause.

Seriously though, I had my wife and children tested for lead over the years. My wife also received a lot of prenatal care including bloodwork quite often when pregnant (yes we have health good insurance now and had even a better plan back then). There was never anything abnormal reported by the doctors. Am I now supposed to beleive my son maybe was scholatically less than he could have been when the doctors who examined him said he was normal?

The truth is there was no lead problem in my family, and still is not one, due to my going to the range frequently then later coming in contact with my wife, when pregnant and after. It might be different for a woman who is pregnant and goes to the range, but as I also pointed out, I am not aware of even one female agent who was pregnant and shot at the range ever having a complaint of anything to do with lead in them or their fetus or children. I was a firearms instructor on the job for 14 years - so it is not like it would not have gotten back to me.

Please do not take me wrong, I am not saying a woman should not exercise caution if she shoots at the range while pregnant; or should consider not going to the range when pregnant. Nor am I speculating about the mental abilities of someone's son based upon guess work. I am stating facts though based on my own personal experience. By the way, here is another fact, my son did well in school and received scholastic awards in high school, including the top award for Technology.

I would be very interested to see factual reports indicating that lead contamination of pregnant female shooters actually occurs on a routine basis or even on an infrequent one. I have never heard of it before, but suppose it is possible it happens. If you know of such info being out there, please let me know about the source because I would like to pass that information onto the current range personnel on my job.

All the best,
Glenn B
 
Do note that hearing damage, tinnitus, hyperacusis etc. are extremely underresearched and underprioritized by the medical and public communities as of the year 2008, regarding causes, treatments and the nature of the injuries. I'd go with safe rather than sorry.

These things aren't showered with money for research, unlike cancer. Don't put your child at risk for developing tinnitus and/or hyperacusis, especially the latter, which is very uncommon but pure hell to live with.

It is one of the most disabling and at the same time least ostensively displayed afflictions. It is about as understood and tolerated today as homosexuality was in the year 1400. You can hardly do anything that involves other people. There is no treatment. No one believes you have a real problem. You're an outcast, like a lone virus trapped in a struggle against the immune system that is society, constantly guilty, constantly suffering. Everyday happenings such as a pot dropping to the floor, someone yelling or screaming nearby, a tire going flat become fist punches to the face from nowhere. Anyone who is aware of your condition becomes equipped with a tool of torture that is both invisible to others and not recognized by the law. Sounds that are already loud to others are something from beyond any nightmares you've ever had.

I guess you can tell I'm speaking from personal experience.

I say don't shoot unless you're the only shooter nearby, you're outside and using a suppressed .22. It's just not worth the risk. The doctors don't know and don't care enough to know whether it's safe or not. The unborn baby of another poster here on The High Road violently reacted to the mother shooting a .22. That's far beyond necessary evidence, if such is desired and required at all.
 
One big question comes to my mind. Why would sound transmitted through air and into fluid be such a problem for a fetus? I can't here my girlfriend cussing me loudly for stealing her pool float with her holding my head only inches underwater:uhoh:
Lead exposure might be a problem if you lock your wife in the room with you while you cast a few boolits but limited range exposure:scrutiny: ?? NAH!

Load up and take her shooting!
 
The biggest reason I want to take her at least a few times with a .22 pistol is because she has only ever fired ten rounds in her entire life. She has just now realized the value of having a firearm accessible for protection, and I will be gone for almost half the time she is bearing. I will be gone most of october, come home and leave a few days later in early november, and come home again at the end of february. To me that is too long to leave her hoping that she has picked up enough basic knowledge from watching me handle them. I will be getting the best Airsoft gun I can justify, so we can conduct plenty of risk-free training, but I think that her firing a "real" gun shortly before I leave so she can see her training pay off will really boost her confidence in her skills.
 
mikle76: unless you have telekinetic powers, you'll be holding the gun with your hand when you shoot. That means the sound will be going directly into the baby's ears like a lightning bolt through a wet metal rod. We're talking potential lifelong, serious injuries here. Don't dive in head first and worry later. Also, yet again, do not underestimate how frail fetuses are.

NG VI: an air pistol might be a good option?
 
I don't believe a .22 pistol would be a problem. But if there is anyone at the range with more powerful guns, I'd be very concerned about noise and potential hearing damage. It's been well documented that fetuses can hear and are typically capable of recognizing and responding to their parent's voices immediately after birth. Use common sense.
 
IMHO the " lead dangers " of ranges are somewhat over stated . Now that i stated that the absolute worst your lady could do is a .22 rimfire on an indoor range . as far as exposure goes . However imho if there is nothing blowing muzzle smoke back into a ladys face , and she is willing to wash her hands after handling ammo that has exposed lead , i just dont see the issue . Lead will not and cannot " magic " its self thro skin to endanger a fetus of an expectant mother . Simmilarly if she is not " smelling the guns " she ( and her baby ) is likely to be safe on a range , be she watching or firing . Many ladys nowadays wont handle guns , ammo , or shoot due to the risks . Ill submit the risks are similar to the risks of the gun show loophole . The folks in my generation that grew up chewing on lead based paint chips are polititions now . Lead is not plutonium yes its harmfull , but in the dosage that one could get over 9 or 12 months( even if your job is to box reloads ) it wont raise things to harmfull levels to a baby . For the mommas who wont shoot a gun well its your right and choice , much in the same way that i years ago forbid my wife to get on a horse while pregnant . Note tho she still did , i raised hell , we slept apart for a time . she carried to term , i have wonderful children and nowadays grandchildren . My son teethed on a .45 auto dummy round ( copper jacketed ) , and my daughter took it apart at the same age . Point is that lead is not the " bugaboo" that CA tries and make for the condors . Condors are dieing because they eat stupid things . Vultures who have the same range and diet are thriving , but then vultures wont fill up on buckshot , or ball bearings lol .

After all this i could have simply posted " If your pregnant then dont handle bulk .22 ammo , if you go to the range then dont breathe the smoke . it really is pretty much that simple
 
I took my wife to the range when she was pregnant. Once. The baby (my daughter) jumped every time the gun went off so we decided maybe she shouldn't shoot anymore. I think it was a good idea, why cause any stress at all to an unborn baby?
 
The biggest reason I want to take her at least a few times with a .22 pistol is because she has only ever fired ten rounds in her entire life. She has just now realized the value of having a firearm accessible for protection, and I will be gone for almost half the time she is bearing. I will be gone most of october, come home and leave a few days later in early november, and come home again at the end of february. To me that is too long to leave her hoping that she has picked up enough basic knowledge from watching me handle them. I will be getting the best Airsoft gun I can justify, so we can conduct plenty of risk-free training, but I think that her firing a "real" gun shortly before I leave so she can see her training pay off will really boost her confidence in her skills.

A "real" gun like a .22 lr? Given the amazing recoil of such, you might as well let her shoot a C02 BB pistol.

Having your wife take up shooting now that she is pregnant is very poor planning and consideration for the fetus. If you are going to follow through with it, then spend the extra money and protect the fetish. Go to home depot and buy a proper full respirator rated for lead fumes. Follow the rest of the suggestions I noted above with washing and covering the abdomen. Anything you can do to shield the fetus from insult will be better than doing little or nothing. Remember that any damage done during fetal development will be lifelong.
 
I'm having a REAL problem as the attitude seems to be don't train her with the weapon to effectively defend herself while your gone because she's pregnant! HELL FIRE!! that's TWICE the reason to let her shoot at the range. Give her a toy gun and everything will be ok!? OR...... you could just sit down and watch a Dirty Harry movie :fire:
11th grade health class taught me many many ways in which a mothers body protects the fetus and around my neck of the woods they included the ability of the mothers skelatal and muscular systems to pick up a gun and shoot the sumbeach that is attacking them. :banghead:

This will be my last post on this thread cuz if I keep typing, I'm gonna get banned :D
 
mikle: the medical community is ignorant about ear damage now, and it was even moreso when you were in 11th grade. There is a much greater risk of damage to the baby from the mother using firearms than something bad happening because she didn't practice more. If you are that passionate about practicing for defense, planning ahead would be a good idea next time.
 
A "real" gun like a .22 lr? Given the amazing recoil of such, you might as well let her shoot a C02 BB pistol.

Having your wife take up shooting now that she is pregnant is very poor planning and consideration for the fetus. If you are going to follow through with it, then spend the extra money and protect the fetish. Go to home depot and buy a proper full respirator rated for lead fumes. Follow the rest of the suggestions I noted above with washing and covering the abdomen. Anything you can do to shield the fetus from insult will be better than doing little or nothing. Remember that any damage done during fetal development will be lifelong.

Double naught- I've been trying, long before we found out we were expecting. I don't get nearly the amount of rangetime I want or need, though I will get to go to an MG range in July to photo/video our Civil Support Team's Soviet Weapons Training. I know that a .22 in reality may as well be an airgun, but for her it will be a "real" gun since it is an actual firearm and not a toy like the airsoft gun I plan on getting for some in-house training. It will give her a report, however mild, it will show her that her time spent on the airsoft or whatever other airgun we get was not time we spent playing around and has a real benefit for her.

I plan on letting her pick out which one of my guns she wants to keep around while I am gone and keeping it with either a pair of extra mags or speedloaders (I fully expect her to pick thee 28-2, she likes that one much better than the 586) so she doesn't have to monkey around with ammo or anything, and next spring once the baby arrives and I am home I want to take a basic pistol course with her. then I plan on trying to inspire a little healthy competition between us, because I don't doubt that she will quickly learn to shoot better than I, and having something to tease me about will make her even happier about a good day at the range.
 
11th grade health class taught me many many ways in which a mothers body protects the fetus

I don't know how long ago you were in 11th grade, but in 17 years since I had my first child in the dawn of the age of ultrasound the medical community has discovered that they knew very little about how developing babies reacted to influences on the mother.

Ultrasound, other forms of fetal monitoring, and the ability to introduce tiny, color cameras into the womb has revealed that the placenta, which was once thought to be a barrier, was about as porous as cheesecloth and that everything a mother does affects her baby.

Babies in the womb react to sound and even, once the eyes are well-developed, to light (if the mother is thin enough and the light is bright enough). They get a dose of everything the mother ingests, breathes, or absorbs through her skin. They are born knowing the voices of their family members and even get a taste of the flavors of their mothers' preferred foods as they drink the amniotic fluid.

The advance in knowledge between my 20yo pregnancy books from my first child and the 3yo books from my 4th child are almost beyond imagination. :)
 
And some of us wonder why people are called 'gun-nuts'. Any use of, or exposure to lead would be irresponsible for a pregnant woman. Let alone the loud noise.
 
Give any thought to the Aguila ammo?

For pistols, the ~20 gr primer-only (no powder) rounds sound like a BB gun. You will have to hand-cycle them as there is not enough energy to cycle the action, but they shoot to point of aim at 21 feet.

For rifles, they make a ~60 grain subsonic that (I have read) is not much louder. I have not tried these yet.
 
Teach her like most target shooters . Dry fire alot. If you have a worry about lead, limit her live fire to 1 live for every 10 dry.
 
Aguila is a good idea, I have a few CBs and Sniper Sub Sonics left, should get some more. The SSS load is awesome looking, it's like the .38-200 but for .22LR!
 
Who was the pregnant woman who took all the honors at the National big bore match's some years ago? And didn't the daughter she was carrying at the time, grow up and replace her mother at the Nationals?

She also won the NOW woman of the year award, in addition to her shooting cups.

I'll keep looking and see what I can find.
 
Stories about how your wife went shooting while pregnant are not helpful; they are anecdotal evidence and don't prove anything.

IMO, why risk it?
 
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