223 bolt action

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Thinking about getting a 223 for shooting cast bullets. What's a good cheaper rifle to look for. On a fixed income here,that's why I use cast bullets. Looked at the savage axis and rugers. Not sure which model the Ruger was.. almost impossible to find a good used one here for a decent price. Any advice? Johnny
 
Ruger American predator, also takes standard AR mags, has a rail on top for a scope, threaded barrel, etc. I usually use the small AR mag so I can lay down with it if I want to and I have a bipod attached to the front. I have also used the 30 round AR mags with it with no problem, but not really necessary for what the gun is. I do appreciate that it has the option though. I have one and zeroes pretty easily at 100 yards and stays zeroed. Easy to clean. No feeding issues with different ammo but I have not tried any reloads. The bolt positioning is not the best in the world but for $500, it’s a good rifle.

https://www.academy.com/p/ruger-american-rifle-223-rem-bolt-action-rifle
 
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My Ruger American Ranch is my favorite bolt .223. It is nice and light, which I figured out is a must-have for me in intermediate calibers. Just a lightweigh, handy easy to carry gun.

My Remington 700 and Savages feel like they are lead filled by comparison.

You may be able to find some used Ruger Americans at better prices soon. They just released a Gen II model that fixes a lot of problems and opens the door for more easy modifications. People may want an upgrade.
 
Something to think about. Thanks for the reply..
For $200 more, you can get the American ranch from Ruger that takes 556. I went with the predator because it has a 22 inch barrel instead of the 16 inch barrel on the ranch although I am seriously considering getting one in 450. Also, I had a ton of 223 ammo. Just have to be careful not to accidentally load 556.
 
I had, until some kid talked me out of it, a Savage 11 in 223. I shot a lot of cast out of it with pinches of Unique, 700X, Blue Dot and PB. Wouldn't keep up with the 55 jsp bullets but shot about like a good 10-22 at fifty yards. I paid $400 with a 3-9 scope of dubious manufacture.
 
I'd be looking at ruger or howa, definitely a longer looks at the howa since it's the only action sized to the 223. Even tho I hate the idea of a short round in a long action and had the money I'd look at the Sauer 100 and the Tikka. You would think for how popular the 223 is there would be more rifles made especially ones with proper action size.
 
223 is not the best caliber to shoot cast bullets with. At the speeds required for cast your range and energy will be limited by the bullet weight. The 223 pressure requires a hard alloy so bullets will turn to dust on hard targets and just pass though soft ones. 223 does best with heavier jacketed bullets. It can be and has been done but if I was buying a new rig to shoot cast with it wouldn't be a 223.

Something that uses 38/357, 44mag, 45colt, 30-30, or 45-70 are better choices for cast bullets. Most c/f bottle neck chamberings require down loading when using cast so heavier pills that don't go as fast make better cast bullet shooters. The 9mm PCCs shoot cast well. 45 acp is good also.

38, 45C/45acp, and 9mm don't need gas checks so are cheaper and easier to load for. 45 colt may be the best cast bullet shooter available but those 250-255 grain bullets can use up some lead pretty fast (bullet traps help keep cost down).

If you don't mind using GCs and moly lube the 357/44mag, 30-30, and even the 308Win with heavy bullets all work well with cast at normal fps loadings. There are many good cast bullet chamberings - I just named the more common ones. Anything you can shoot a 200grain bullet at 2000fps for 2000ft# of energy with works very well with cast (targets, hunting, or anthing else).

All that said - if I wanted a new bolt gun to shoot cast with, I might go with a 308 and cast 180 or 200 grain GC bullets for it. 6.5 Grendal or 300BO (if you can find either in a bolt gun) would be good choices also because they have lower velocities.
 
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I’ve got an early Remington Model 7 in .223 (plain walnut stock, 18.5”bbl)
It’s superlative with cast bullets.
I use either a Lyman 50gr flat tip, semi pointed w/gascheck. I size them to .225”. Best lubes are NRA 50/50 (Alox bees, wax) and SPG. Another is the Lee 55gr FNGC. It’s a 6-cav and “rains” good bullets.
Either are tack drivers at 50yds over 7.2gr of Unique or 10.0gr of #2400.
A remarkable characteristic of this rifle is that it shoots POA/POI at 50yds with a cast, when sighted at 200yds for a 55gr Pt Spt jacketed bullet at 3,000+fps. The cast bullets are running about 2,000fps. About like a .22mag on steroids!

I’ve shot quite a few deer with it with jacketed bullets.
But, with its 1/12” twist barrel, it’s limited to 65gr bullets. The Sierra 65gr GameKing shoots 1.5” @100yds, but a Hornady 60gr Vmax shoots key holes and 12”+ at 100yds. Best deer bullets are the 60gr Hornady flat base, and 64gr Sierra Semi Ptd Spt. Either blows up lungs, and completely penetrates on broadside shots.
 
I had two of the Ruger Americans I got rid of them. The action just dealt horrible to me. I’ve got a Remington tactical now and I love it. I’ve had savages too. Any reason why you’re stuck with a bolt? Why not look at the little single shots?
What single shots??
 
What single shots??
Winchester runs a few high/low walls from time to time - they had one in 357Mag a couple years back.

Ruger has the no1 and sublines falling block. Many chamberings over the years.

Henry has the handy or single shot rifle. Made like a single shot shotgun in newer chamberings.

Uberti makes a few single shot copy rifles of days gone by.

Think the “Quigley Down Under” Shiloh Sharps 45-110 Rifle can be had or a similar one in 45-70. Might even find a 45-90 Sharps if you look long enough.

Useable and or rebuildable rolling blocks and trapdoors can be had.

All are fairly expensive but good quality steel construction and nice wood. Just takes a stack of long greens. Henry would be least costly and is nice but is not in the same class as others listed.
 
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223 is not the best caliber to shoot cast bullets with. At the speeds required for cast your range and energy will be limited by the bullet weight. The 223 pressure requires a hard alloy so bullets will turn to dust on hard targets and just pass though soft ones. 223 does best with heavier jacketed bullets. It can be and has been done but if I was buying a new rig to shoot cast with it wouldn't be a 223.
Don’t tell that to the cast bullet shooters that have been hunting with them.

Alloy is only part of it. Fit in the throat and bore is also a big part. Some of those boys and girls are using some big bullets and soft lead. They do a lot of shooting and testing before they write about it.

One shooter has even tried paper patching in the 223! My fingers are not that nimble.

Kevin
 
For $359, I don't know how one could go wrong- Savage Axis XP Bolt-Action Rifle

I bought one a couple of years ago and have been very pleased with it.

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Wow, that's awesome. Nice job on the pig as well.
How do those hogs taste? I've always wondered about it. I'm anxious to get the 223. I have another 223 which I used to use in F class matches. Weights a ton. Appreciate your information and the great pictures..johnny
 
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