223 for whitetail under 150 yards?

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I didn't realize any state allowed hunters to tag deer for other hunters. Huh.
It is allowed here as well. Rules much like Wisconsin. That is one reason why I have shot so many deer. I have long since lost count, well over a hundred. I think Wisconsin has an edge in population and accessible hunting.
 
For what it's worth: The heaviest deer in Maine for many years was killed with a .222 Rem. A hired deer exterminator used a .223 Rem, semi-auto rifle with a silencer to kill hundreds of deer, over bait, usually at over-populated islands off the coast. One set-up was within a hundred yards of a public meeting being held one evening at the town office. (Nobody heard a thing, but he shot about 30 deer.) His favorite shot was in the neck. A professional, shooting deer over bait is not a typical hunting condition, so don't take this as an endorsement of the .223 caliber/cartridge as a good deer round.
 
I don’t have any dog in the hunt so to speak but if someone went with your statement and was in the wrong place in your State, they would be breaking the law, in Michigan.
So you got busted hunting with the wrong gun because you didn't read the regulations.
Makes just as much sense as what you are writing.
 
It has less to do with practice and more to do with probability. My 16 year old son can shoot a .223 at 500 yards and keep 15 consecutive shots inside 1 MOA.

I’m not handing him a .223 to hunt with.

Now, a .22-250 is a different story.....if I owned one
Your choice. When my son wants to hunt and can prove himself I'll let him use a .223 I use a 44 mag. Would use a .223 just have others I prefer to use.
 
I don't like to use a cartridge that elicits discussions about whether or not it is "adequate" for the job that always seem to start with, "Yes it is, but......." It's the "buts" that I want to avoid when I think about killing living things.
 
Never hunted deer with a .223. But i have killed a few dozen wild hogs with the .223 using the 55 grain Sierra Game King and the 53 grain Barnes TSX bullets. Most shots were <75 yards. The bullets performed equally well on large hogs.

There is absolutely no substitute for bullet placement.
 
Pick a good bullet.

I’m a big Barnes fan but also realize that, with whitetail, a Core-Lokt will do the trick pretty much every time. Deer are not tough animals and pretty much any bullet will do the trick. I think a lot of people out think themselves on the interwebs with shooting deer. Like you said, take a good shot and they’ll go down...with pretty much any bullet out there.

Mark
 
Of course not, because I don’t believe everything I read on the Internet. Like this false statement for example.

That is not a false statement, if you had a brain you would understand that. But since you don't maybe you can find someone to explain so you can understand.
 
All center fire .22 caliber is legal in Michigan only rim fire .22 caliber and smaller isn't!

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How can all centerfire .22 caliber be legal in Michigan while at the same time there be a minimum of .35 caliber in Michigan?

Without some additional words like “with the exception of” or “where not limited by law”, the statement can be disproven.
 
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A game warden checked me and saw I was hunting with a AR .223. He told me he uses that cartridge to cull Buffalo at Yellowstone. I don't remember the exact spot but it was 4 inches in front of the ear maybe. Not sure.
 
A game warden checked me and saw I was hunting with a AR .223. He told me he uses that cartridge to cull Buffalo at Yellowstone. I don't remember the exact spot but it was 4 inches in front of the ear maybe. Not sure.
My son drops cattle all the time with a .22 Mag: One inch above the center of a line from eye to eye across. He did do it with my 7" AR pistol once; I lent it to him for a couple days, so he took it out on a call. (They do on-farm butchering/ rendering.) Did the job, but messier than a .22 Mag.
 
I’ve killed a pile of deer and pigs with a 223/5.56 using a 69 grain Sierra Match King. All deer were shoulder shots under 200 yards and none of them ever took a step.
Rule #1: If you have to ask whether a particular chambering is adequate for deer hunting, don't use a bullet the manufacturer specifically states shouldn't be used for hunting.

"While they are recognized around the world for record-setting accuracy, MatchKing® and Tipped MatchKing® bullets are not recommended for most hunting applications."
https://www.sierrabullets.com/resources/bullet-selection/
 
Rule #1: If you have to ask whether a particular chambering is adequate for deer hunting, don't use a bullet the manufacturer specifically states shouldn't be used for hunting.

"While they are recognized around the world for record-setting accuracy, MatchKing® and Tipped MatchKing® bullets are not recommended for most hunting applications."
https://www.sierrabullets.com/resources/bullet-selection/

I don’t care what Sierra says to cover their own butts. I trust what I’ve seen with my own eyes more than a little fine print. You do you. I’ll do me.
 
Rule #1: If you have to ask whether a particular chambering is adequate for deer hunting, don't use a bullet the manufacturer specifically states shouldn't be used for hunting.

"While they are recognized around the world for record-setting accuracy, MatchKing® and Tipped MatchKing® bullets are not recommended for most hunting applications."
https://www.sierrabullets.com/resources/bullet-selection/

I don’t care what Sierra says to cover their own butts. I trust what I’ve seen with my own eyes more than a little fine print. You do you. I’ll do me.
I will interject lightly to point out that many people have experienced either under expansion or under penetration from the matchkings in the past, with no rhyme or reason as to which bullet will do what. That being said, the eldms and amaxs are known to take game ethically, and Sierra may have (or may not have) modified their jackets. Equally, a demonstrated pattern of successful results does not encourage one to change habits, nor should it, based solely on internet warnings. I personally prefer extensive trauma and whilst I don't mind if a bullet makes a big exit I also don't care as long as the vitals are destroyed. I know of some people that recommend either very large cup n core high sd bullets, monolithic, or bonded bullets even for game as light as deer and pronghorn whereas I personally prefer grenading the chest cavity. As long as one is certain of what their choices are capable of and have reasonable expectations of the outcomes, and the game is taken ethically and legally, the argument is moot. Whether my 50gr ttsx or 95 gr sst or 162 eldm gets used, the deer will go down cleanly and that's what the endgame should be.(yes 3 different caliber bullets referenced intentionally) ETA, that "all shoulder shots" may be the reason for such success as the biggest complaint I've noticed in the smk is under expansion and penciling through so perhaps the shoulder/higher resistance is the answer to the success. Similarly to placing a Barnes or other heavily constructed bullet. With my kids, (2 different rifles/Chambers/bullets) one has been instructed to aim at the squishy bits for the time being, the other instructed to break the shoulder whilst still destroying the vitals, it would be interesting to begin testing tmks/smks in a variety of media against Barnes types........sorry for that ramble lol.

As to taking deer with a .223 and the responses of "if you have to ask, don't"....... If this were truly an effective mentality then we would all likely be hunting with sharps, krag-jorgensens, and mausers, so thank goodness this is not the case!
 
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I have shot whitetail deer with a 22 Hornet up to and including a 7mm Magnum.
Recently my choice caliber has been 243 Winchestern but i have bought a stsinless Ruger 77 in 223 and a Remington 700 in 223 that I would consider useing. All my shots wre under a hundred ywrds with the deer either standing still or may be walking slow. I place all of my shots or do not take the shot. I shot five deer last November/December. All one shot/one kill. Four droped dead in their tracksn one ran about 45 feet from a standing still broad side heart shot.
It probably would of ran no matter what caliber it was shot with.

It is all shot placement and proper projectile.

I knew this would be one of those pissing match threads when I read the title.
Every one has a right to their oppinion. If it is for you, have at it. I know I feel comfortable killing a deer with any caliber I may be useing weather it be a 22 Hornet or a 7mm Magnum.
I don't rush my shots, i know deer anatomy and place the bullet where it will do the most damage. .
 
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How can all centerfire .22 caliber be legal in Michigan while at the same time there be a minimum of .35 caliber in Michigan?

Without some additional words like “with the exception of” or “where not limited by law”, the statement can be disproven.
The straight wall cartridges .35 cal requirement is for the “shotgun only” zones. The zones north of the “shotgun only” zones you can use .22 cal centerfire rounds. A .22 cal centerfire round is NOT legal in the “shotgun only” zones for deer. However, it is legal for coyote in daylight hours in all zones of Mich.
 
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