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No trash no problem I was wondering why I would buy the 223 I'm not trying to make anyone mad but the military surplus does not have varmint bullets and isn't noted for exceptional accuracy so by the time you're done reloading with good loads is it much cheaper to reload than the 204 or the swift or even the 22-250
 
Tell you what, Jake.

Why don't you get your varmint gun and go shoot a 3gun match with it and see how well that works for you.


Also there's no law that I'm aware of that says you can only shoot surplus through a .223, whether doing it to compete, plink, or hunt varmints.
 
so by the time you're done reloading with good loads is it much cheaper to reload than the 204 or the swift or even the 22-250
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Not so. And as Justin points out, there is nothing that says one must use military surplus ammo in a rifle. Even moderate reloads will out perform factory ammo, and will be cheaper.
 
3 threads. same topic type, repetitive behavior..
You obviously are set in your ways about this caliber and don't want to do anything except share your opinion.
I'm just saying this because what happened a week or so ago with the exact same type of threads and you just slammed every caliber you don't like.
If you have changed your opinion and atitude excuse my "tone".
I just don't want to see a repeat of what happened with a "flame thread".
 
I have yet to walk into a gun store that doesn't have .223 on the shelves (except for winter of 08-09...thanks Obama)
 
I havent flamed have I if I have sorry but I am genuinely asking your opinion since lots of people talk highly of it. But you werent open to discussion on rhino1957s thread saying "you should stop giving people answers they don't what" again I'm not looking for a fight but you shouldn't criticize me for being set in opinion when you are also
 
How much shooting have you actually done?

What's your yearly round count?

How old are you?

What is your experience with using rifles in the following situations:
  • Hunting big game
  • Hunting small game
  • long range competitive shooting
  • 50 meter small bore
  • "Tactical" or defensive carbine training/use
  • Attendance at actual shooting clinics, classes, or schools
  • 3 gun competition
  • High Power competition
 
Blah blah... .223 sucks... blah blah

Then don't use it.

There.. The answer to your question. If you don't want to use it and want to use the .204 or the .22-250 then you have the capabilities to not use it. Use whatever you want. It is a free country. You seem to have some weird fascination about the .223 round... Did one abuse you as a child? Did a Mag full of .223 cut you off in traffic once?

Whew...

That one took a lot out of me. Now, if you want, you can ask me the following questions...

"What gun should I buy next?" (see Sig line)
"Should I buy a gun from Wal-mart?"
"What round for bear?"
"Coke or Pepsi?"

See.. There are THOUSANDS of people who use the .223 for varminting, myself included, and we are quite happy with it. But, then again, I have never had a .223 try and abduct me as a child either....
 
I doubt you would think it is obsolete if you were a coyote getting nailed by one.
It is not as fast a .22-250, it doesnt shoot as flat as .220 swift, and the .204 ruger shoots faster aswell.
But it has very long barrel life, It is affordable and easily found, It is chambered in more rifles than the alternative .22 cf's are.
It is a low recoil cartridge, and feeds well in auto loaders.
It does not foul barrels as fast as the others.
It is offered loaded with specialty bullets where others are not.
It will reliably punch through kevlar, and most car doors.
It is often found in surplus battle packs for cheap.
And it is cheaper to load than .22-250 or .220 swift because it uses less powder and more common brass.
enough?
 
Ok kids, settle down and play nice.

In answer to your question Jake, There are many factory loadings for the .223 that outperform any milsurp you will find. And also for a reasonable price. I am a hand loader and I load for every one of my pieces. I do this for 2 reasons, price and accuracy. I tailor my loads for each and every weapon as any and all weapons can be picky to put it mildly. BUT you can find very accurate factory loads at pretty reasonable prices for the .223. As far as price comparison for reloading components, Brass is where you run into the price difference. In all actuality, the .223 doesn't hold a candle to the .204 or the 220swift but it will not burn the throat out as fast as both of them will. There are cost differences in each and every cartridge and not only in the cartridge itself.
 
thats fine but besides being cheap is there an advantage because if more accurate i would be intrested in buying one but the 204 ruger has long barrel life.
 
Are you going to answer any of my questions?

Or are you just going to pretend like you didn't see the post above, pick yourself up, and carry on with spouting off your opinions?
 
Jake they both have advantages and disadvantages. The .204 will outperform the .223 but ammo is more expensive. And the barrel life is not greater on the .204. You have been misinformed there. The .204 is a speed burner and is a little harsh on throats. Same with the .220swift and 22.250 I have all 3 of them and do know a little bit about what I speak. Now a high quality barrel will last much longer than your typical factory barrel such as a Hart or a Kreiger, but you are talking pretty high dollar for barrels from them (I know I have them).
 
So, your answer, then, is "no." You don't actually have any interest in relating such basic things as your relative experience level with firearms and marksmanship, how often you shoot, or even your age.

How indicative...
 
never said the 204 had better barrel like and its nice to get a reply from someone who has all 3 rounds
 
i have shot mosty lever actions and im not the worst shot around and im a very good shot with my dads bolt action these are centerfires
 
How much shooting have you actually done?

What's your yearly round count?

How old are you?

What is your experience with using rifles in the following situations:
Hunting big game
Hunting small game
long range competitive shooting
50 meter small bore
"Tactical" or defensive carbine training/use
Attendance at actual shooting clinics, classes, or schools
3 gun competition
High Power competition
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I'd still like to know the answer to this.

i think the 223 is a VERY good round and has its place.
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Ok, that is fine. What would you consider it's proper place?
Oh and what is the longest shot and hit you have made?
 
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