Twmaster
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I just weighed my Papoose. 3 pounds 13 ounces without ammo.
22LR from a different angle.
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Maverick223
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Very true. One would also need a external choke (that was rifled straight) to be able to pattern the .410 shot worth a darn.
The .460S&W will afford a better medium range trajectory, and generally far better accuracy. I agree that 20Ga. shot is better, and less costly, but you can carry far more .410 shells (reduced weight and size), making it a worthwhile trade (in a survival situation) IMO.
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Something that occurs to me: If you have a two barreled combination gun, big rifle /.22 rifle, it's going to be quite a dance to get both barrels happily sharing the same sights. I suppose there is some sort of solution but I'm not sure what it is.
I suppose there is some sort of solution but I'm not sure what it is.
Maverick223
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Basic alignment with laser bore sights, then a bit of final alignment and brazing by a skilled craftsman. Just like any double rifle. The problem is that the aforementioned process isn't cheap...not by a long shot.
BrocLuno
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I just wished they made the Papoose in 22 mag. Then a bit of work hollowing out the stock with a mortising bit to store two magazines behind the but plate and you are good to go
Yes, but in a survival situation I'm not hunting with the slugs if I can help it, they'd be more for a defensive shot. so added range isn't that big of concern IMO. Also having a bunch of 410 shells may not help if their lack of effectiveness leaves the pot barren.
I'll take 10 20g shells over a whole box of 410s every day if eatin' what I can kill is on the line.
Besides you'd have to find this mythical 22/ 460 410 combo while I'd only need to visit my gun cabnet
Maverick223
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I would certainly use the .460S&W for hunting moderate-large game, as it is far more effective than buckshot or slugs (particularly with respect to accuracy). IMO the box of .410 would be better than a handful of 20Ga., but it would depend upon the quarry.
The combo may not exist, but that is more or less the point of this thread isn't it (to bring forward new ideas)?
The combo may not exist, but that is more or less the point of this thread isn't it (to bring forward new ideas)?
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The Walther G22 is an option. You can actually fit some stuff in the butt stock with a little modification and under the removable caps under the barrel. I keep a fire starter cotton balls some utility blades and some para-cord. Plus is holds an extra magazine in the butt section. I don't know if it floats like an AR7 but I doubt it...Russ
If I were "hunting" I would bring a "hunting" rifle. as the point of this thread is survival in the alaska wilderness it would be kinda pointless to kill a 1000# animal as I would hope to be finding my way to civilation and packing 1000# of meat is going to be a lot tougher than a bandoleer of 20g shells would be YMMV.
KodiakBeer
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As in the other thread, I'd still prefer a shotgun for pure survival. With weight as an extreme consideration, perhaps an 18" barreled single shot 20 gauge. A 20 would give you more shells per pound and a single shot breaks down into a pretty small package.
Maverick223
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Hunting is hunting, be it a survival situation or not. If there is no easier quarry (or other form of sustenance) I'll take what game I can get, be it a 1lb. Ptarmigan or a 1500lb. Kodiak...and my design for an O/U combo rifle is capable of accommodating anything in that range. Wasted meat be damned.
CollinLeon
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I'm not sure what the jackbooted ATF's current unconstitutional infringement point of view might be on putting a rifle stock on a handgun, but just from an engineering standpoint, it might be an interesting endeavor. If you could design the stock so that it would pivot forward or detach easily and act as a case, if might be interesting...
CollinLeon
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Of course, a lot of us making these comments have no idea what type of wildlife would be easily available in a survival situation in Alaska during the various seasons.Hunting is hunting, be it a survival situation or not. If there is no easier quarry (or other form of sustenance) I'll take what game I can get, be it a 1lb. Ptarmigan or a 1500lb. Kodiak...and my design for an O/U combo rifle is capable of accommodating anything in that range. Wasted meat be damned.
Personally, my survival rations would include a large container of Nescafe Clasico instant coffee... At worst, I figure I can take a pinch of it and let it dissolve in my mount to get my caffeine fix... Yeah, I'll admit it -- I'm caffeine dependent... After about 24 hours, I'm going to be having massive headaches from the caffeine withdrawal... Kind of difficult to make a good shot on some tasty bit of local wildlife when you have a throbbing headache...
KodiakBeer
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Just like any place, small game is easier to find than large game. We tend to think of rabbits and ptarmigan and so on, but even a large sea gull will give you enough protein to survive another day. If you're on the coast anywhere, you can survive on shellfish. Even kelp is edible. I know people who pickle it as a delicacy.
Big game tends to be scattered about in summer and concentrated in winter.
CollinLeon
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If you can keep warm and have water, a person can survive about 90 days or so without any food... Some of us a bit more and some of you a bit less... Primary concerns are shelter, warmth, and water... Once hunger starts kicking in, you'll probably find that you are not really that picky of an eater...
Armchair Bronco
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Citadel has an M1 Carbine replica chambered for .22LR and I think this is the perfect combination of the ultimate "Go To" carbine that you can sling over your shoulder and the perfect plinking and survival round.
As soon as these become available, I'm all over it!
I also have a CZ-452 Scout, and these are great guns as well. Probably my most accurate gun out to 50 yards.
As soon as these become available, I'm all over it!
I also have a CZ-452 Scout, and these are great guns as well. Probably my most accurate gun out to 50 yards.
CollinLeon
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Maybe something like this?
CollinLeon
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Or you can go with a Ruger Mini-14 and carry the .22LR conversion kit also... That gives you .223 / 5.56 NATO and .22LR... Still, I have to think that having some sort of shotgun choice might also be good in case the game includes waterfowl that are awing...Citadel has an M1 Carbine replica chambered for .22LR and I think this is the perfect combination of the ultimate "Go To" carbine that you can sling over your shoulder and the perfect plinking and survival round.
As soon as these become available, I'm all over it!
I also have a CZ-452 Scout, and these are great guns as well. Probably my most accurate gun out to 50 yards.
Armchair Bronco
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I remember seeing a video for a .410 chamber insert that converted it to a .22LR. Probably not the most accurate thing in the world, but for a survival gun it would let you shoot both .410 shells and .22LR from the same barrel.
Here's are some chamber adapters for a 12 gauge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRZXyFsWsG8
chicharrones
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Tacticool Papoose
Unburdened by scope and ammo pouch, etc. my Beretta Neos (carbine) weighs the same.
Barebones
Ammo in butt plate
Tacticooled with magazine storage bag
Bag in front holds the whole setup
Unburdened by scope and ammo pouch, etc. my Beretta Neos (carbine) weighs the same.
Barebones
Ammo in butt plate
Tacticooled with magazine storage bag
Bag in front holds the whole setup
chicharrones
needs more ammo
T/C Contender with 14" .22LR match barrel and 4x scope would fare as a survival gun. Perhaps a little heavy for what it is, but it's rugged as heck, clover-leaf accurate from a rest, and utterly reliable for one shot (and would never jam on me...
I'd like one of those in .223 myself.
BrocLuno
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Unburdened by scope and ammo pouch, etc. my Beretta Neos (carbine) weighs the same.
Barebones
Very interesting
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