22LR from a different angle.

[JSNAPS]

Neos you say, Yes I will look into it

 

[chicharrones]

So I don't mislead anyone, it is a carbine kit attached to an existing pistol. Not cheap since the pistol will cost at least $220 (new)and the carbine kit will cost at least another $220 (new). I had to find the takedown bag and ammo bag myself. They are not offered from Beretta.

All that said, it is a fun little shooter. I like it much better in this configuration than in pistol form.

Here's a little review I wrote back when I got the kit.
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3394677&postcount=3

Here's someone else's review found on the web.
http://suburbansurvivalist.wordpress.com/2010/10/20/review-beretta-u22-neos-carbine-kit/

Here's the 50 yard target from my review shooting open sights using a mix of Remington Golden Bullet and Winchester Powerpoint. It shoots very accurately with the Power Point as opposed to not so much with the Golden Bullet.

 

[Float Pilot]

Interesting video about the Marlin Papoose take-down 22.

http://www.youtube.com/user/nutnfancy#p/search/7/32FgaIb66bM

 

[VA27]

I'm a big 22rf and 22mag fan, but for a double duty (small game/large game defense), light weight arm in your specific situation, I'd go with a GI M1 Carbine (maybe even add a folding stock for easier storage).

Both the gun and ammo are compact and relatively light. Have it gone over by a competent smith (all new springs, test fire with soft point ammo, etc.) and pick up a few GI magazines and a sling.

Load a coupla mags and throw in a coupla boxes of ammo. A box each of FMJ and Remington soft points should do the trick. If you can find a good GI 30rd mag, stagger load it with ball/soft points and hope you never have to use it as 'bear repellent'.

 

[CollinLeon]

Just found an interesting article about Alaska survival...

http://www.aol.com/2011/12/05/alaska-man-stranded-in-th_n_1129501.html

Drinking beer isn't generally viewed as something that's good for your physical health.

While some studies have claimed that drinking beer may reduce the risk of heart disease, alcoholic beverages often contain a high amount of calories, and drinking alcohol "reduces the amount of fat the body burns for energy." These two factors, according the University of Rochester Health Service, can lead to the infamous beer belly and obesity associated health problems.

But, for Clifton Vial, beer may have actually saved his life -- or at least made waiting for rescuers a little less boring.

Vial, an Alaska man, found himself stranded in snow in remote Alaska with only a few cans of Coors Light to drink, the Alaska Daily News reports.

According to the Alaska Daily News, he was not prepared for the emergency. His cellphone didn't have any service nor did he have access to a a survival kit. Instead he had a few cans of frozen Coors Light.

The Alaska Daily News also reports that he ended up stranded after heading off on a long drive.

This video, noted in the Huffington Post video above, shows the harsh conditions one would face when driving in Alaska during winter.

While trapped in his car and stranded in the snow for three days, Clifton ate the frozen Coors Light. The Alaska Daily News reports that Vial approached the beers like cans of beans. "I cut the lids off and dug it out with a knife," he said.

Whether Clifton actually enjoyed the taste of the beer was not mentioned by the Alaska Daily News. When not frozen, Coors Light receives scathing reviews from beer enthusiasts. Users of website Beer Advocate have given the brand a D grade. Ratebeer.com users gave Coors Light an overall rating of zero, the lowest possible on their 0-100 scale.

But when it's the only thing available while stranded in remote Alaska, the beer may have tasted quite good.

So, I guess there's something else that you might need to add to your survival rations...

 

[mnrivrat]

I custom built my choice from a Savage Model 24V that had damaged barrels. I bought it here off the THR sales .

It was .222/20ga and I reamed the chamber to .223/5.56 . Inclosed in the forearm is an adaptor cartridge to convert the upper barrel to .22 RF.

The bottom barrel is set up for screw in chokes and I have both a IC choke and a rifled slug choke. The barrels were tuned to shoot to the same point of impact at 30 yards. Military green bake on Gunkote for the metal and semi flat black for the wood. Shotgun barrel is 19" long. Storage for .22 RF ammo in the butt stock.

 

[chicharrones]

That is awesome, mnrivrat. Got any larger and clearer photos?

 

[mnrivrat]

Here are a few more - I need to take some better photo's . The green is much more subdued than the photo's show. The container for 22 RF shells fits into the butt stock . The butt plate and grip cap are 1/4 inch aluminum. If yo9u double click on the photo it should blow up a bit for you.

The chamber adaptor snaps into a slot on the inside of the forearm.

 

[reppans]

How about taking it one step further.... a .22 cal air rifle?

If you can carry 12.5 rounds of .22lr for every round 12ga, you can carry at least 5 rounds of .22 pellets for every round of .22lr. And a quality .22 air rifle should do nearly 1000 fps, 25 ft lbs, good enough for rabbit/squirrel sized game to 50 yrds.

Other pros: really quiet, nothing to clean; other cons: not effective against bear, ultimate effective range, and weight/portability.

 

[chicharrones]

Looks to be a well though out set up, mnrivrat.

 

[chicharrones]

How about taking it one step further.... a .22 cal air rifle?

If you can carry 12.5 rounds of .22lr for every round 12ga, you can carry at least 5 rounds of .22 pellets for every round of .22lr. And a quality .22 air rifle should do nearly 1000 fps, 25 ft lbs, good enough for rabbit/squirrel sized game to 50 yrds.

Other pros: really quiet, nothing to clean; other cons: not effective against bear, ultimate effective range, and weight/portability.

Due to a 20+ ft./lb. spring piston pellet gun usually being 40"+ long and as heavy as a centerfire rifle, personally I'd rather have a .22 LR like the Marlin Papoose which is about half the weight and 5" to 8" shorter when assembled.

That would leave about 3 pounds of weight dedicated to .22LR ammo (if needed) with range and energy far greater than a pellet rifle. If low noise and low power is required, Aguila Colibris and Super Colibris could be used at very short range.

Just my opinion.

 

[Kendal Black]

Hmm.

In the places where dangerous predators are only midsize (mountain lion, alligator, black bear, homo sapiens) the semi-auto .22 is popular: You have the bullet you need for the rabbit or squirrel you want, and you fire just once, maybe twice, but you have the barrage alternative if the situation turns peculiar. I have never trusted that approach myself, and would not give two cents for it in the northern lights country we're talking about.

A .22 will always be what it is: The best soup pot rifle, ever and bar none. Perfect for the job. But I don't think even an auto conversion would make it a grizzly defense--and good luck flying that one though Cannuck Customs.