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.22lr plinker guns, Don't know if I like magazines.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by CoyoteSix, Nov 5, 2012.

  1. CoyoteSix

    CoyoteSix Member

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    To explain, I'm gonna get another .22lr soon, but I don't know if I want it to be magazine fed.

    In my experience the fast reloads from magazines and the "cool" factor of slamming a magazine home is great :evil:, but I have multiple magazines for some of my plinkers and absolutely hate the down time while reloading magazines out in the desert. I often feel like I burn through ammo much faster. Not that I have a Video-Game trigger finger, but because I use more ammunition up at a time.

    A tube fed rifle or revolver has a constant rate of fire because there's no down time while reloading mags. There are also no mags to worry about losing or getting dirty. (Went shooting in the mud during a rain storm once, ended up with some cruddy mags).

    I'm struggling to decide between .22lr guns like

    Ruger Single Six V.S. A second SR22P

    Sig 522 V.S. A stainless steel, tube fed, Marlin XT-22.

    I wish I could buy'em all but cash isn't easy to come by in college :(
     
  2. primalmu

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    How does a tube fed rifle have a constant rate of fire? What is a tube but a tubular "internal" magazine? There sure is downtime while reloading that tube. I'd imagine you'd get much the same experience with a 10/22 and a single magazine.

    You're logic just doesn't make much sense to me.
     
  3. CoyoteSix

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    Not as much down time at once I mean, quicker to pop out the tube and drop 14 rounds than to grab my 4 SR22p mags and load'em up.

    When I say "Rate of Fire: I don't mean some kind of commando suppression nonsense.

    I literally mean I can keep rounds down range at a more constant rate with a tube fed or revolver than I can with my Mag fed Semi autos.

    I swear I could make and finish a sandwich in the time it takes to reload my 10/22 and SR22 mags. (Guys with alot of mags for one gun will get this ;) )

    Its also kind've attractive to just bring a gun and ammo than to bring a gun, mags, a folding table to set everything down on, and a folding chair to set my butt down on while i reload said mags. (remember my shooting is done in the desert 30min from my home).
     
  4. 303tom

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    You got that right...............
     
  5. Rail Driver

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    It takes a bit longer in my experience to reload my Marlin 60 (18rd tube) than it does to unload said tube. I find it faster to load a 20/25rd AR.22 magazine, or a 10rd Ruger or Mossberg .22LR magazine than the tube on my Marlin - only reason the Marlin is my favorite (and currently ONLY .22) is because it's significantly more accurate than any .22LR rifle I've ever owned.
     
  6. berettaprofessor

    berettaprofessor Senior Member

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    Lets see...I've got 8 10/22 mags holding 80 rounds and a speed loader for them. How long can I shoot and how fast can I reload?


    And a s&w mp22? 25 rounds in a mag that I can reload much faster than a tube fed? Are you nuts?

    This is exactly why I bought a 795....the accuracy if a 60 and lots of mags to run it.
     
  7. rduchateau2954

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    I really don't see how tube fed is any faster.

    I own a Marlin 60, you can only load 2-3 rounds at a time and as far as I know there is no speed loader.

    With a basic speedloader for my Ruger MKIII it's the same story, 2-3 at a time, just about the same speed.

    Now the Ruger MKIII with the ultimate clip loader, that's a whole nother story!
     
  8. Sergei Mosin

    Sergei Mosin Senior Member

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    It's the perceived passage of time. If you're reloading ten magazines at a time and it takes you five minutes to do it, it seems like it takes a lot longer than reloading one just magazine - even though you have to reload that one magazine ten times and it takes the same five minutes, those five minutes are spread out over a longer period of time and it doesn't seem like you're taking up so much time reloading.
     
  9. rduchateau2954

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    Only get one magazine?
     
  10. chris in va

    chris in va Senior Member

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    I'd like to see a tube fed that lets you slide and lock back the internal spring so reloading can be quick without having to remove a long tube first.
     
  11. bannockburn

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    Well I don't know about you but I love magazine fed .22 autos. Had a number of single action .22 revolvers over the years but found them to be so slow in terms of unloading and reloading. With a thumb saver loading device, I can quickly load up a couple of mags and be back shooting in no time at all.
     
  12. MedWheeler

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    I see one of the guns you're considering is the Ruger Single Six.. while I agree that this would be a great choice to anyone who does not already have one (I don't, but I do have a Heritage Rough Rider I really enjoy shooting.), I don't get how it would solve your "excessive down time" issue..
    But, you won't know how fun it can be 'til you try it. I burned maybe 300 rounds my first session with the Rough Rider, and that was during a session in which several other guns were shot, too.
    I don't know what guns you already have..

    Incidentally, I can reload my Ruger Mk-II magazine (I only have one) in the time it would take to load any tube-fed rifle because, if I'm holding the spring down with the button on the side, I can pretty much just drop the rounds in.
     
  13. stanmo

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    Yes, loading .22SA revolvers sux, but I love my DA revolvers so much I sold my autos. I hate loading mags especially .22's. I don't see the point of having 10 mags to load, carry to and from the range and clean after. Most mags cost as much as a couple bricks of ammo.
     
  14. Reloadron
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    Something to consider with another .22 is looking around for an older bolt or pump rifle. With some good looking you can find maybe an older great shooting Remington, Winchester, Savage or other fine older rifle that will deliver superb accuracy or a fine old revolver. Your dime but you may want to consider a fine older gun in great condition.

    Ron
     
  15. pockets

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    While I do not understand the point of this thread....there are quick loaders made for .22 tube magazines. I use a 'Spee-D-Loader' on all of my tube-fed .22 rifles. It has 8 tubes, each holding 15 LR rounds ready to simply dump into the magazine (after removing the follower). Just the ticket for most any tube-fed rifle. As for box-magazine fed .22 guns, additional magazines are usually not expensive.

    Perhaps you need to simply relax, sit down with a single-shot .22 and a brick of Blazers.....and just enjoy.
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  16. 230RN
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    ^ Ditto on that. I've got a bolt-action tubed Remington 512 and you pull out the "inner" tube (which contains the feed spring --no need to lock anything back), and just drop rounds into the "outer" tube, that is, the magazine tube itself.

    I remember the old shooting galleries at Coney Island, where the gallery operator had pre-loaded tubes where they could just drop the ammo into the tube magazine proper, as pocket describes.

    I didn't know they currently made these loading tubes, but I was going to make a preloadable tube like those out of that hobby brass tubing you get at hardware stores for that 512, but I don't shoot it that much. However, it's nice to have a gun which you can "load on Sunday and shoot all week," as the saying goes --bearing in mind that mine isn't an autoloader and I prefer single deliberate shots instead of rapping them off.

    I sure like the capacity of a tube-loader, but somehow they seem more fragile. Get a ding in the outer tube or accidentally bend the inner tube (which pockets calls the follower), and you don't have a gun anymore.
     
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    If you don't like taking the time to load magazines while at the range, you may want to consider this option. I have a Ruger Mark series pistol and use a McFadden Ultimate Cliploader tool. It takes roughly 3 seconds to load a magazine and you are back shooting again.

    *Warning! You will go through more ammo and have way more fun with this loader tool!*

    http://www.mcfaden.com/cliploader.html
     
  18. pockets

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    For those of you who didn't realize the Spee-D-Loader is still around. It's cheap thrills at only $20 ..... 120 easy-loading rounds (8 tube reloads) at your fingertips. You can find them all over, there is even a 'short' version. Here is the full-size one at CTD:
    http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/GNS-120
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  19. Reloadron
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    OMG, I was thinking about those very tubes with fond memories of Coney Island and the Long Island fair. I would love to have a few of those gallery guns today. I believe the NRA has preserved one of the Coney Island shooting galleries.

    I have a Remington 510P (My very first rifle), 511 and 512 all of which I enjoy tremendously.

    Ron
     
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  20. 230RN
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    ^ Heh. Glad I tickled a memory for you. I got my Sportsmaster (Remington 512) for $65 at a gun store a couple of years ago. I especially like that it feeds shorts, longs, and long rifle cartridges. I don't remember how many shorts the thing holds, but it was more than 20.

    (Don't tell any antis that this is a standard capacity magazine! :what: They'd faint! )

    I only got it because it was a duplicate of the very firstest powder-actuated firearm I ever shot, back in "ought-forty-six," as it were. I still remember my first shot, complete with visual, audible, and smell memories. To this day, the smell of a .22's exhaust brings that image back briefly.

    I think I recall that most of the shooting gallery rifles were Browning pumps with the tube mag in the buttstock, though.

    Hey, pockets, thanks! That is one cool loading device. I may actually get one and start shooting my old rifle again. (It's sort of retired now.)

    Terry, 230RN

    REF:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Sportmaster_512
     
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    YOU AIN'T WHISTLING DIXIE !!! BUT....what do you expect from some whippersnapper in college ??
     
  22. aarondhgraham

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    Eliminate all the nonsense,,,

    Eliminate all the nonsense,,,
    Embrace the concept of single-shot rifles.

    I have a Henry Accu-Bolt single-shot .22 rifle,,,
    It is simply a joy to shoot that gun.

    No temptation to do a mag dump at a target,,,
    Just the steadying impetus of making your one shot count.

    I also have a CZ-452 Special Military Trainer,,,
    It is a 5 shot magazine fed rifle.

    I purchased the single-shot adaptor for it,,,
    Now I enjoy shooting it much more than before.

    I know that semi-autos are fun,,,
    I have two and enjoy plinking with them.

    But when it comes down to shooting for real accuracy,,,
    I always haul out one of my single-shots,,,
    One Shot-One Hit is a great feeling.

    Aarond

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  23. sawdeanz

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    Just got one

    I just bought my first .22 rifle yesterday. Its a marlin 60. I bought it because I wanted something cheap to buy and shoot. I would prefer something that loaded from the receiver end like lever actions and shotguns do, I feel that would have the advantages of a tube fed gun but be easier to load, and have the ability to "top off" rounds. Since i'm just going to be target shooting the accuracy reputation of the marlin outweighed that concern. Eventually I want to get a tube fed lever .22 that can feed shorts, lr and everything in between, which I think would be the ultimate survival tool.
     
  24. ZGunner

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    Get a single shot. That'd be the most consistant fire rate you'll get. Reloading is just a matter of placing a new round in the chamber and it eliminates all forms of magazines.
     
  25. thunder173

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    Geeze guys,....you need to use a little imagination. 2 small pieces of duct tap over the ends of a longer Burger King soft drink straw....makes an instant reload that drops probably 8 .22LR, ( as measured by my phat fingers),....quickly into a tube mag, and maybe a couple more .22 shorts,...and it works for .22 WMR as well,..though not as many of them. Btw,...I have both magazine and tube fed .22's,.....YMMV
     

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