22LR "Tactical" ???

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fotheringill said:
It is Norma TAC-22 lr.

On a scale of 1-10, 1 being Remington Thunderbolts and 10 being Eley Tenex, this is about a five. They have a "Match" round, as well which I rate, on my experience with two cases of the stuff, as a seven.

All 22's have some sort of proprietary lube on them. If you want to handle greasy, try any Wolf 22 ammo.

Thge appellation "Tac" or "tactical" is plain old BS marketing.
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I would rate Tac-22 much higher than a five. I would guess about half or more of the bullseye shooters I know use it. It's capable of truly fantastic groups.
 
Unless it is somehow determined that rabbits, squirrels, and the like are posing a direct threat to humans requiring a highly trained armed response, I tend to agree. The only "tactical" application I could see for a .22 would be for some very specific application, such as a suppressed 22 being used to knock out lights prior to a raid (where "real" tactical weapons would be used). I have heard conversations where they could be employed in the same fashion against guard dogs, but since I've had to chase down squirrels and rabbits shot with a .22, I think the chances of instantly"ninja killing" a vicious dog without ending up with a yelping, barking, possibly enraged dog compromising the mission are more likely absent a perfectly placed single shot. Hell, I had to shoot a vicious stray dog in Afg. on an objective once- 77 grain 5.56 to the chest and that thing still put on quite a show before it died.
 
Tactical this, Tacti-cool that, has burned out with a lot of folks, I know, but I would hope that the Tactical labelled ammo has been optimized for .22 LR AR-style rifles (and .22 LR conversion units for 5.56 ARs) to assure it functions well in the magazines and firearms.

Right now my preferred ammo for .22 LR AR is Winchester Super-X as a result of range tests I did for my son Oct 2012 with his .22LR Colt M4. The manual I downloaded for my son's Colt is Manual-Colt-22-TacticalRimfire.pdf so I would presume the commercial "Tactical .22" ammo has been marketed for such rifles. Some ammos that worked well in my other .22 semi-auto rifles that day were disappointing; flatnosed hollowpoints gave three jams in a row fail-to-feed.
 
Here's the definition of tactical. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tactical Tactical is how something is used, not what it is. A $1000 AR with a $1200 ACOG and 8 magazines in a $200 chest rig that is sitting in a closet isn't tactical in the least. A $100 single shot .22 that gets used to remove a sentry cause it was the best thing available is tactical. In fact, going with the second definition, using that .22 to shoot a squirrel for dinner can be considered tactical. Doesn't matter what ammo is used. Our gun culture has severely overused and twisted the word to the point where it now has virtually no real meaning at all. Anything that is sort of remotely combatish looking is tactical.
 
I looked at some today at my LGS, this was printed on the box "you must be 45 years old, still live at home and be a keyboard ninja to purchase".
 
I had some CCI and Winchester .22 ammo that was labeled "Tactical" and didn't notice a whole lot of difference in terms of performance or accuracy. I just bought it at the time because the gun store had it on sale. Wolf Match Target and CCI MiniMags are still my go to favorites in .22 ammo.
 
YankeeFlyr said:
... OK, I saw, the other day, some 22LR offered online labeled as 'Tactical 22' or some such. ... <snip> ... Is this what we've come to???
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<chuckle> Reminds me of a firearm for which "tactical" .22RF might have seemed appropriate.

In the latter half of the '70s I recall reading about a selectfire .22RF subgun having been developed. Seems the idea was that in the same time that it took to put, say, 230gr round on-target, you could put 10-12(?) ~50gr rounds in the same location.

IIRC, they designed it to look similar to the Thompson.

I thought that it was an intriguing idea ... that would probably not work without specialized, cleaner-burning .22 ammo.

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Something else that I remembered about that .22RF subgun; it sported the first laser pointer that I ever saw on a firearm.

The subgun was marketed to LE and part of the MFR's story was that Bad Guys would know that the red dot on their chest was where many bullets would quickly impact if they did not immediately & correctly follow the officers' instructions.

Anyway ... :)
 
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As much as anything this is a prime example of the abuse of the word "tactical". Tactical bacon, bikinis and bullets point to the marketing manipulation around its use.

.22lr is just that... .22lr, good for a number of real world applications that we all know and enjoy.
 
A must have if your going to tangel with Ninja rabbits, and special forces tree rats.

And don't even think about using anything else if your facing those snow camo mice. They are lab inhanced vicious critters. I once saw a piture of one who ate a human. All that was left was an ear he was carrying on his back.
 
Wow. So much angst over a word.:D


Why does CCI call it "Tactical"? Because it differentiates it from standard .22LR loadings. http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?use=1&loadNo=0956
.22 LONG RIFLE AR TACTICAL AMMUNITION

FEATURES & BENEFITS
•Excellent accuracy in AR-style .22 LR firearms (1.5 inches at 100 yards in factory testing)
•Optimized for AR-style function and accuracy
•Specifically tested for S&W M&P 15/22
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It doesn't mean it won't work just fine in your Stevens Favorite, but that's not the intended purpose.





bearcreek Here's the definition of tactical. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tactical Tactical is how something is used, not what it is.
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Not just how it's used, but if "relating to" as well.

Simple Definition of tactical from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tactical
1 : of, relating to, or used for a specific plan that is created to achieve a particular goal in war, politics, etc.
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If the CCI Tactical was specifically designed to provide optimum function and accuracy in an AR style firearm..........it definitely meets the Merriam Webster definition doesn't it?;)
 
The definition of "tactical".....does that ammo meet any of this criteria?:rolleyes:


tac·ti·cal
ˈ/taktək(ə)l/
adjective
adjective: tactical

of, relating to, or constituting actions carefully planned to gain a specific military end.
"as a tactical officer in the field he had no equal"
(of bombing or weapons) done or for use in immediate support of military or naval operations.
(of a person or their actions) showing adroit planning; aiming at an end beyond the immediate action.
"in a tactical retreat, she moved into a hotel with her daughters"
 
Tactical is one of my least favorite words right up there with "Operator" . In my world of industrial manufacturing the term "Operator" is synonymous with "Moron "
 
These days it is a marketing term as much as anything. Manufacturers of certain types of gear know that calling it tactical and offering it in black will sell at least some product that would not have otherwise sold.
 
dogtown tom said:
Why does CCI call it "Tactical"? Because it differentiates it from standard .22LR loadings. http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?use=1&loadNo=0956
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Now I'm intrigued. Has anyone used that particular product, and does it live up to its claims:

Specifically tested for S&W M&P 15/22
(1.5 inches at 100 yards in factory testing)
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Having recently bought that particular rifle I may just try it out of curiosity.

In other words if "tactical" is intended to entice some sucker into overpaying for something they just hooked one :rolleyes:
 
dogtown tom said:
Wow. So much angst over a word.:D


Why does CCI call it "Tactical"? Because it differentiates it from standard .22LR loadings. http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?use=1&loadNo=0956
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Don't think for a second that providing actual info that cites the differences will help this thread.

I tried that on page 1 and even included the Ft/sec and Ft-Lbs differences and noted that the shape of the bullet is different to help with the steep feed ramps the AR22's have.





v35 said:
Now I'm intrigued. Has anyone used that particular product, and does it live up to its claims:


Having recently bought that particular rifle I may just try it out of curiosity.

In other words if "tactical" is intended to entice some sucker into overpaying for something they just hooked one :rolleyes:
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I used some in a pistol.... not much help for you other than to say hey cycled it fine where-as some others havent.


It's not any more expensive than minimags. No tactical premium
 
I wouldn't mind a 22 lr rifle rounds thats designed for suppressor use. That would be plenty tacticool. Maybe cleaner propellant, and a coated bullet, AND subsonic.
 
dogtown tom said:
If the CCI Tactical was specifically designed to provide optimum function and accuracy in an AR style firearm..........it definitely meets the Merriam Webster definition doesn't it?;)
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I suppose you could look at it that way. I guess that'd make any ammo that's designed for a particular type of gun "tactical". There's a lot more tactical ammo out there than I thought! :D
 
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