another good option from Double Tap.
http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_34&products_id=428
hard ball and hard cast are not meant for hunting in any respect (Possibly woods Protection ...different than hunting.)... that penetration is meant to avoid expansion and penetrate through obstacles.... NOT what you want in a hunting bullet and NOT what most want in a self defense round....
Geckgo: said:My little penetration equation calls for 23-25" of penetration at the velocities listed for that bullet, another test to verify my results!!! Course, they don't actually show any ballistics stuff to demonstrate their 27", just nice to see things line up
Both of these loads are the ballistic equivalent of +P 45 ACP loads, yet they operate at standard 45 ACP pressures.
You'll notice that the new S&W 4 inch MT Gun gives velocities almost as fast as the older S&W revolvers with 5.5 inch and 6.5 inch barrels. This is not a typo. It simply shows that the new S&W revolvers are made to much tighter tolerances than the older S&W revolvers and therefore give higher velocities per inch of barrel.
I wonder about this myself!How would you get better performance out of a shorter barrel because of higher tolerances and not exceed standard .45acp pressures?
I am curious. Standard 230 gr. ball ammo, if to original spec, should run about 830 fps. How is BB getting higher velocities out of a heavier bullet along with deeper penetration and have it operate at standard .45 acp pressures?
How would you get better performance out of a shorter barrel because of higher tolerances and not exceed standard .45acp pressures?
If the standard pressure is merely a peak pressure, then hotter loads can be made by generating more gas in a way that ensures that the pressure stays closer to the peak pressure for longer without ever exceeding it. Think of it as having a pressure curve that covers a greater area of the graph even though it is limited by the same maximum value.
Perhaps the newer barrels, like the test barrels at the ammo factory, actually reach or get close to the standard pressure, while the older barrels leak so much gas that they never actually do. Just a theoretical guess.
I am curious. Standard 230 gr. ball ammo, if to original spec, should run about 830 fps. How is BB getting higher velocities out of a heavier bullet along with deeper penetration and have it operate at standard .45 acp pressures?
NOT what you want in a hunting bullet
If this is the case, then I am guessing recoil is going to be more substantial than just a simple +P comparison.
I would also bet that muzzle flash is going to be substantial as well unless they have figured out some magic formula for extending the period of standard pressure without exceeding it and also have a way to stop the poweder from burning quicker.
It all just seems a little too good. Maybe it is actually as claimed and if so, it sounds terrific, but isn't exactly "standard hardball" as indicated in the thread's title.
I think a detailed study would reveal that "standard pressure" on most of the ammo we think of fondly is far below SAAMI limits.
Expect around 27 inches of penetration through live flesh and bone.