296 powder for 44 mag

[buck460XVR]

Load data is based on the cartridge

^^^This. Has nuttin' to do with platform. Go to Walmart and they will ask you when you buy .22 ammo if it's for a rifle or handgun.....that is because it is made for both, exactly the same way. Only thing is, you have to be 21 to buy handgun ammo....that is why they ask. Same goes for .44 mag(or any other handgun caliber that can be fired in a rifle/carbine. .357, .45 Colt, 9mm, .45ACP, etc.). While performance will vary by platform, the cartridge is always loaded to the same pressure specs.

 

[LaneP]

As others have pointed out, load data is not specific to handguns or carbine/rifle barrels, but you will likely see a big boost in velocity using a load that was tested in, for example a 7.5" bbl and then you fire that same load in a 16" carbine barrel.

I have a .45 Colt load that propels a 325 grain lead FP GC to 1050 fps from a 4-3/4" Ruger NM Blackhawk and when fired out of my 16" bbl Winchester Trapper gains another 300 fps.

 

[mcb]

An interesting trivia. There are a small number of cartridges that appear in both the rifle volume and the revolver-pistol volume of the SAAMI specs. 44 mag is the only cartridge that has differences between the two. The bore and grove dimensions are slightly different. Pressure specs are the same...

H110/296 is an excellent choice for carbine loads. It is almost too slow for revolvers but performed very good in a carbine.

 

[CraigC]

I think many still believe that you would use slower "rifle" powders in pistol cartridge carbines. Not true. Powder choice is dictated by capacity and pressure, not barrel length. So for a handgun cartridge, the same powders that yield the highest velocities in handguns will do the same in rifles. Same goes for short versus long barreled handguns.

That said, the .44Mag will usually yield 300-400fps higher velocity in a rifle length barrel, even with medium burn rate powders like Unique.

 

[mrawesome22-250]

An interesting trivia. There are a small number of cartridges that appear in both the rifle volume and the revolver-pistol volume of the SAAMI specs. 44 mag is the only cartridge that has differences between the two. The bore and grove dimensions are slightly different. Pressure specs are the same...

H110/296 is an excellent choice for carbine loads. It is almost too slow for revolvers but performed very good in a carbine.

Indeed. Best accuracy in 44mag rifles is usually obtained by slugging the bore and getting bullets that are at least .001" over your particular rifles groove diameter.

 

[Rule3]

^^^This. Has nuttin' to do with platform. Go to Walmart and they will ask you when you buy .22 ammo if it's for a rifle or handgun.....that is because it is made for both, exactly the same way. Only thing is, you have to be 21 to buy handgun ammo....that is why they ask. Same goes for .44 mag(or any other handgun caliber that can be fired in a rifle/carbine. .357, .45 Colt, 9mm, .45ACP, etc.). While performance will vary by platform, the cartridge is always loaded to the same pressure specs.

Yes it does, The 44 mag is a pistol.revolver cartridge not a rifle. There is data for 44 mag PISTOL

22 rimfire ammo and legality questions at WalMart or anywhere else is irrelevant to this topic
In Florida you now have to be 21 to buy a rifle so it makes no difference.

 

[mcb]

Yes it does, The 44 mag is a pistol.revolver cartridge not a rifle. There is data for 44 mag PISTOL

22 rimfire ammo and legality questions at WalMart or anywhere else is irrelevant to this topic
In Florida you now have to be 21 to buy a rifle so it makes no difference.

It doesn't. The peak pressure, the thing we are most concerned about from a safety point if view is the same, independent of barrel length, since peak pressure happens while the bullets is typically less than an inch out of the case mouth.

 

[Rule3]

It doesn't. The peak pressure, the thing we are most concerned about from a safety point if view is the same, independent of barrel length, since peak pressure happens while the bullets is typically less than an inch out of the case mouth.

Not the issue. The 44 mag was/is developed as a pistol cartridge not a rifle.. How you reload it is up to you.

Happy Thanksgiving

Show me the difference?

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/rifle

 

[murf]

Suggest using a magnum primer for all w296/h110 powder loads. I prefer the cci 350 primer.

happy thanksgiving,

murf

 

[mcb]

Not the issue. The 44 mag was/is developed as a pistol cartridge not a rifle.. How you reload it is up to you.

Happy Thanksgiving

Show me the difference?

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/rifle

The 44 Mag may have started life as a pistol cartridge but for a variety of reasons it has both a pistol-revolver spec and a rifle spec in the SAAMI standards and it is unique in that of the few cartridge that exist in both volumes it is the only one that has differences between the two specs (bore and grove diameters are spec'ed differently). But I agree there should be no difference in peak pressure and those links you provided support that. The longer rifle barrel will produce great velocity but the peak pressure is the same.

Are we agreeing or disagreeing?

 

[Jeff Flannery]

Thanks to all who contributed to this post! I didn't think it would get so many responses. Happy Thanksgiving to one and all!!

 

[Jeff Flannery]

Suggest using a magnum primer for all w296/h110 powder loads. I prefer the cci 350 primer.

happy thanksgiving,

murf

I Thought I had some lg pistol mag primers, but I don't. That being said, I used cci reg lg pistol primers . Hopefully all will go bang!

 

[RealGun]

All.... I have a marlin 44mag lever action rifle. NONE of my reloading books have info the rifle, just for 44 mag revolvers. Only my OLD Hornady book has the rifle info, but I guess 296 powder wasn't invented yet! My newer books have 296 listed, but only for pistol use. Does any one out there have any info on using 296 in a 44mag for the rifle? Thanks!!

I have the Loadbook compilation of load data from the various powder companies. It includes Hornady data from their 8th Edition. It shows that rifle and pistol loads are not the same.

 

[mcb]

I have the Loadbook compilation of load data from the various powder companies. It includes Hornady data from their 8th Edition. It shows that rifle and pistol loads are not the same.

How are they different?

 

[RealGun]

How are they different?

I am not making a detailed analysis and report to defend my statement, but can just say that the rifle loads are slightly heavier. This book came from Midway, I believe. My 9th Edition book shows the same thing. For a given powder and bullet, the loads are slightly higher for the rifle.

 

[mcb]

I am not making a detailed analysis and report to defend my statement, but can just say that the rifle loads are slightly heavier. This book came from Midway, I believe. My 9th Edition book shows the same thing. For a given powder and bullet, the loads are slightly higher for the rifle.

That does not help the discussion any. I suspect the pressure for a given charge weight under there same bullet is the same and that none of the loads rifle or pistol exceed the pressure specs. 40,000 CUP/36,000 PSI that both specifications share.

 

[RealGun]

That does not help the discussion any. I suspect the pressure for a given charge weight under there same bullet is the same and that none of the loads rifle or pistol exceed the pressure specs. 40,000 CUP/36,000 PSI that both specifications share.

If you don't have a Hornady manual, why not?

 

[mcb]

If you don't have a Hornady manual, why not?

Get all my data online and/or use Quickloads.

 

[Varminterror]

Yes it does, The 44 mag is a pistol.revolver cartridge not a rifle. There is data for 44 mag PISTOL

Rifles and handguns chambered in 44magnum share the same pressure standard, such there really is no difference in the data. Enough people ask for corresponding VELOCITY DATA for both, so handloading manuals often include both, but there’s no such thing as rifle specific or handgun specific 44mag data or factory ammunition.

 

[Jeff Flannery]

I get a kick out of the differing opinions! I loaded 23.0 and 23.5 grs of win 296 for my marlin 44 mag rifle. I sure hope it doesn't go kaboom!

 

[Rule3]

The 44 Mag may have started life as a pistol cartridge but for a variety of reasons it has both a pistol-revolver spec and a rifle spec in the SAAMI standards and it is unique in that of the few cartridge that exist in both volumes it is the only one that has differences between the two specs (bore and grove diameters are spec'ed differently). But I agree there should be no difference in peak pressure and those links you provided support that. The longer rifle barrel will produce great velocity but the peak pressure is the same.

Are we agreeing or disagreeing?

I don't know, People just like to argue and nit pick. I suggest they go and buy a box of 44 Mag RIFLE only ammo and then report back, I can not answer why SAAMI pecs the carbine and pistol bore differently, but all that changes is a slight difference in bullet diameter (for reloaders) for factory ammo it is what it is. It works in both other that those on the cutting edge of accuracy out of a Marlin or Henry carbine.

I can not seem to find the 44 Mag carbine/Rifle data here either?

http://www.accuratepowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/WPHandloading-Guide-7.0-Web-REV.pdf

 

[Rule3]

I get a kick out of the differing opinions! I loaded 23.0 and 23.5 grs of win 296 for my marlin 44 mag rifle. I sure hope it doesn't go kaboom!

What is your point? What weight bullet??

 

[mcb]

I don't know, People just like to argue and nit pick. I suggest they go and buy a box of 44 Mag RIFLE only ammo and then report back,

I can not seem to find the 44 Mag carbine/Rifle data here either?

http://www.accuratepowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/WPHandloading-Guide-7.0-Web-REV.pdf

As stated up thread Hodgdon's online database has data for both rifle and pistol 44 mag loads. But if you find a load (same bullet and powder) that is represented in both data sets you find they produce the same peak pressure for the same charge weight and differ only in the velocity realized due to the difference in barrel length.

 

[whughett]

I have two boxes of Hornady 240 grain bullets, different nose styles, both listed as .430 Diameter. I Intend to load in 44 Magnum for a Model 29. I purchased over twenty years ago for loading in sabots for black powder , perhaps that diameter is the difference in pistol or rifle bullets.

 

[RealGun]

Rifles and handguns chambered in 44magnum share the same pressure standard, such there really is no difference in the data. Enough people ask for corresponding VELOCITY DATA for both, so handloading manuals often include both, but there’s no such thing as rifle specific or handgun specific 44mag data or factory ammunition.

Except in at least the Hornady manual.