2nd Coyote attack on child in NJ's gun free utopia

[BayouTeche77]

Dogbonz, I guess I need to buy more stock in ACME, then.

 

[Chuhhuniban]

Coyotes are interesting animals (my screen name means Grey Coyote in Tohono O'odham). One hundred and fifty years ago they only ranged in West Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and Southern California. They are now in every state except Hawaii. If we manage to kill ourselves off, the world is going to be left to cockroaches and coyotes. Coyotes are non-specialist omnivores who will eat practically anything they can gag down (birds, rodents, cats, small dogs, watermelons, tomatoes, garbage, pomgranates, citrus fruit, and, of course, road runners). The wolf specialized in large ruminants that took lots of space and gang tactics to hunt and, with civilization encroaching, almost specialized himself out of existence. The coyote is semi-solitary (they get together socially, but live apart or in pairs) and will eat anything — he is the second most successful predator on the continent (we're Number One!). If there is empty range with food, coyotes breed until it is filled, then stop (it's called "adaptive breeding" and it's documented) and only breed replacements — that's why trapping doesn't do much good. The next pair comes along and says, "Gee, look at all this good range going to waste...let's have a flock of pups." They're smart and adaptive; the ones in Griffith Park in LA (where the fire was recently) have learned not to howl — howling brings the animal control guys — so they just bark like domestic dogs. I live in metro-Phoenix on a hillside and I've got three (that I recognize, there might be more) living there with me. I have a 100-pound Rhodesian Ridgeback, so they steer clear of it, but they don't run, they just saunter across the street and avoid us. They seldom attack people and 80+% of their diet is rodents. When they do attack, however, the only solution is to kill them, nobody is going to frighten one for long. The only successful coyote population reduction project I know of was the reintroduction of wolves into Yellowstone Park — the wolves reduced the coyote population in the Park by about 75%. A coyote can run faster than anything in North America except a pronghorn antelope, but only for a relatively short distance. Wolves are somewhat (not a lot) slower, but they can run for hours and they just run them down.

Good book on them is God's Dog by Hope Ryden.

 

[DogBonz]

Brilliant!

The only successful coyote population reduction project I know of was the reintroduction of wolves into Yellowstone Park — the wolves reduced the coyote population in the Park by about 75%. A coyote can run faster than anything in North America except a pronghorn antelope, but only for a relatively short distance. Wolves are somewhat (not a lot) slower, but they can run for hours and they just run them down.

We can reintroduce Wolves into NJ. Then once the coyotes are reduced, maybe they can get to work on the yuppies.


Maybe.... Please

 

[gunsmith]

Traps?

The same folks who are aghast at folks like me who used to wander through
NJ neighborhoods with shotguns (@ 12 yrs old!) would say "the traps are killing fido & kitty"

The problem was that the 5-year old was out in the yard without his sidearm! His parents are probably tree-hugging gun-banning crunchygranola cryptofascist COMMIES!
Maybe instead of just posting an article so we can all indulge in a little recreational outrage, you could clarify what your point is and offer some solutions to the problem as you identify it.

His parents are probably tree-hugging gun-banning crunchygranola cryptofascist COMMIES!...after all, they do live in NJ and the majority of them are.

I've taken my guns out to the desert and as soon as the critters see me taking aim they dissappear...(SIC)

 

[shc1]

They have been seen in VA for 10 or more years on a regular basis.
But now NJ?
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I smell another Bloomberg(err) lawsuit coming…or maybe I stepped in some Coyote patties…

 

[vtoddball]

Seriously though, I say that we just leave some roller skates and a few big skyrockets laying around and the coyotes will kill them selves off.

ROFLMAO

That is the best suggestion I've read yet. I'm going to buy some stock in ACME.

I was just reading that thread with the clerk who shot the robber and they had the requisite pencil neck saying that while it worked this time, having a gun only escalates the violence.

Obviously the problem here is that the children are not cooperating with the coyotes. If they just stopped resisting, the coyotes wouldn't have to escalate the violence and everybody would be happy.

 

[Joe Demko]

Do you have a point, gunsmith?

 

[gunsmith]

police shoot back!

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/nj/7661671.html

Posted on Thu, May. 24, 2007
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Coyote is killed near site where boy was bitten
Associated Press
MIDDLETOWN, N.J. - Police shot and killed a coyote early yesterday less than a mile from where a 5-year-old boy was attacked earlier this week, but they cautioned that at least four others remained on the loose nearby.

It was not clear whether the animal killed was the same one that bit Brayden Gazette as he and his sister were walking near their home Monday.

"It's somewhat of a relief, but I'm still going to be watching out for my kids every minute," said the boy's mother, Joann Gazette. "Who knows how many more are out there? And how can anyone be sure if this is the one who bit my son?"

She said the spot where the animal was killed is about three-quarters of a mile from her home.

Township Administrator Robert Czech said police were able to corner the animal and chase it along a fence of the Earle Naval Weapons Station. An officer used his .40-caliber handgun to shoot the animal, Czech said.

At least four other coyotes were spotted by police before the animal was shot. Traps are in place to capture the others.

Meanwhile, the body of the female coyote killed yesterday was turned over to a state fish and game officer, and will be tested for rabies.

Gazette said that a coyote jumped on her son near their suburban home about 8:15 p.m. Monday and bit his head.

The child was taken to a medical center, where he received 46 stitches and two shots for rabies.

"He's doing well," Gazette said yesterday. "He and my daughter will go outside to play, but they insist that me or my husband go out there with them."

but they insist that me or my husband go out there with them."

I hope they have a gun/knife..something! even a hammer.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

2nd Coyote attack on child in NJ's gun free utopia

gunsmith, you seem to be implying that had NJ allows guns, this might not have happened.

Yep, had that 5 year old boy been armed with a gun, he might have been able to defend himself against the coyote. Or maybe had his 8 year old sister been armed, she could have stopped the attack as well.

Of course when Joe mentioned this point, you claimed the parents to be tree hugging commies. That is just garbage.

Geez, with no adults providing supervision, whether not NJ allows guns is a moot point.

If you want to make some sort of big socio-political statement, why aren't you whining about proper parenting and supervision of children?

 

[roo_ster]

Good stuff, Chuhhuniban.

Animal traps will get mostly local pets, if my neighborhood is any indication. Just be sure to take Fluffy the cat to animal control so his owner can pick him up. The 'yotes & other vermin can be safely disposed of in a humane, eco-friendly garbage can half full of water.

 

[MinnMooney]

Gunsmith..... I really don't see a point to your statements and news articles. You've already been asked "What's your point" & you've choosen not to answer so I'll assume that you have none. Just tryin' to stir the pot??

 

[qlajlu]

...80+% of their diet is rodents.

David Letterman is always talking about how big the rats are in New York and recently we were all treated to video news clips over and over showing rats in a downtown New York Taco Bell. The coyotes are simply expanding naturally to solve New York's problem. They can sense a need for their existence. But, you know, little steps! They will get there eventually and Bloomberg will welcome them. Wouldn't that be a political feather in his hat...getting rid of the rats in New York!

 

[LaEscopeta]

Police shot and killed a coyote early yesterday less than a mile from where a 5-year-old boy was attacked earlier this week, but they cautioned that at least four others remained on the loose nearby.

It was not clear whether the animal killed was the same one that bit Brayden Gazette as he and his sister were walking near their home Monday.

I still don't see any evidence it was a coyote and not a dog.

From the original story the 5 year old victim was outside alone with his eight year old sister when the attacked happened. The news stories say nothing about an adult seeing the attack and identifying the animal as a coyote. No mention of an expert tracker identifying coyote tracks (extremely difficult to tell from dog tracks.) It says a number of coyotes have been seen in the area, and one shot/killed. I bet there are dozens, maybe a few hundred dogs in the same area where the coyotes were spotted.

I’ve been wrong before and I could be wrong this time, but until proven otherwise, I’m going with the odds and am saying these were dog attacks.

 

[Chuhhuniban]

David Letterman is always talking about how big the rats are in New York and recently we were all treated to video news clips over and over showing rats in a downtown New York Taco Bell. The coyotes are simply expanding naturally to solve New York's problem. They can sense a need for their existence. But, you know, little steps! They will get there eventually and Bloomberg will welcome them. Wouldn't that be a political feather in his hat...getting rid of the rats in New York!

They've actually trapped/shot a couple in Central Park in the last few years — they had to walk across one of the bridges to get there. As I noted, nothing scares a coyote very long and they are adaptable to the max. They've also shown up in Alaska, so they walked a very long way. If you think I admire them, you're right. I do not, however, see anything wrong with hunting them, they're sure not threatened. Besides, the Animal Damage Control guys from the Department of Agriculture have be shooting, trapping and poisoning them for about sixty years and their range and numbers have gone right on increasing. It's been roughly as effective as the War on Drugs, although it is cheaper (there's only a few hundred guys in ADC).

 

[Big Calhoun]

The latest is that Middletown PD is asking residents to tie red bandanas around their dogs as they are recieving a high number calls involving false sightings...

Now, I was born in the South, but lived in the North...so I'm a city boy. Even then, I can tell the difference between what should be on a leash versus what should be out in the woods somewhere.

 

[The Unknown User]

I'm not sure what this has to do with guns. Guns are not a blanket solution to all problems.

 

[Chuhhuniban]

Now, I was born in the South, but lived in the North...so I'm a city boy. Even then, I can tell the difference between what should be on a leash versus what should be out in the woods somewhere.

Unfortunately, not everybody can. A few years ago here in Arizona some clown showed up at a game check station during elk season with a mule in his nifty city pickup truck (he did have a cow elk tag, however, so he did notice the absence of antlers).

 

[cwdotson]

yotes

Don't which is worse in an residential area, someone (and not a 5 year old)firing a weapon with a degree of control or restraint (assuming it was legal) or a bunch of traps waiting for toddlers and older kinds to wander by.

Also, more and more yotes and dogs are breeding--the resulitng coydogs are bigger, stronger, more fearless, and probably just as smart as the original yotes.

Is it just me, or do some folks post with discernible sarcasm? Just asking.

 

[qlajlu]

MadOgre, also known as George Hill, is a mod on this board. He lives in North Eastern Utah where there are a lot of coyotes. He is always hunting them because he also writes articles for shooting magazines. He is up to speed on what the animal is like, how cunning and adaptive, and he can give pointers on hunting them. He, like many others who hunt them, know that you usually only get ONE shot at a coyote. They learn fast.

If you do not read his blog, try MadOgre. I think you will find it quite enlightening...about guns, coyotes and lots more.

By the way, George is going for knee replacement surgery today. Good luck, George!

A few years ago here in Arizona some clown showed up at a game check station during elk season with a mule in his nifty city pickup truck (he did have a cow elk tag, however, so he did notice the absence of antlers).

Doncha just hate when that happens!

 

[Sam Adams]

The animal ran off when the girl screamed.

I bet that the coyote ran off after the girl screamed for Jim McSleazy to come & help. The animal's not stupid, you know.

Seriously, this is exactly like the deer overpopulation in NJ - without hunting, without the ability to get rid of animals from where they don't belong, this stuff happens. Lucky for the girl that she's not in an area where there are bears or mountain lions - because then the scream would've been the last sound she made, and no one with her would've been able to do a damned thing about it.

I am SO glad to no longer be a NJ resident. I carry nearly everywhere now (TX resident with CHL), including to the zoo - if one of those "cute little animals" escapes and threatens my kids, wife or me, the zoo's going to need a new animal.

 

[Baba Louie]

Even if Wiley Coyote hadn't chosen NJ in which to live only to find delicious little children upon which to nibble... say he and children were residents of Laramie Wyoming... not too many 5 and 8 year olds in Wyoming pack heat whilst crossing the street in town I'd daresay. I could be wrong.

While I'm never in favor of wildlife chewing on little humans, nor politicians limiting RKBA's, it could be that if the NJ legislators and bunny huggers weren't so persnickety about the good citizens owning firearms and maybe allowed culling out a few of the overpopulated predators as such every now and then, this might not have happened... but I still gotta ask... Kids packing heat In Town? (There's never a game warden around when you need one, ya know?)

If Mr Yote was so brazen and hungry to try to wolf down a young'un, I wonder if he'd already rid the local area of easier pickins (e.g. chihuahuas, outdoor roaming kitties, rodents, squirrels, etc).

Like it or not, they do have a place in our natural order/society... and he did put the kid down when the sister expressed her concern.

Hope the kid in question is alright, heals quickly and goes on to become a mighty coyote hunter and RKBA advocate.

 

[vtoddball]

They'll probably just end up using tax dollars to pay some "expert" to hunt the coyotes down instead of making money by selling licenses.

 

[gunsmith]

double NS

Of course when Joe mentioned this point, you claimed the parents to be tree hugging commies. That is just garbage.

Joe Demko said that, I thought that would be obvious to anyone who had read the thread

I was just agreeing with your good friend and fellow traveler Joe and using his words.

I have lots of relatives in NJ and have wasted...oop's... spent a lot of time there and yes it is full of lefty moonbat idjits who vote for Lautenberg and Bill Bradley.
NJ/NY make CA look down right conservative

DNS/Joe

Yep, had that 5 year old boy been armed with a gun, he might have been able to defend himself against the coyote. Or maybe had his 8 year old sister been armed, she could have stopped the attack as well.

You have a good future writing propaganda for the Brady Bunch, you're writing like the knee jerk liberals who say "you want to arm all the VT students"
When what I am really saying is responsible adults who want to should be allowed to carry without un constitutional restraint.

Please point out where I have said that the children should be carrying?
Only you, Joe "cap lock" Dempko and Sarah Brady would get that idea
DNS , you have a long history of following my threads and nit picking at what ever measley little thing you can, now Joe is doing the same thing...did you bite him?

minnymooney...welcome to thr, I work 12 hours a day 6 or 7 days a week, I can not possibly answer every post.
DNS/JOE are just jealous imo because my threads get all the views, don't join in with them, I have a devastating wit

 

[Crunker1337]

It's one thing for people to not own guns because they don't think they'll need them (as stupid as that is) but when there has already been a coyote attack on a child, parents need to start to show some responsibility if at least for the safety of their kids.

My parents are the kinds of people who would still not buy guns if this kind of thing were to happen in my part of NJ.

 

[Joe Demko]

DNS/JOE are just jealous imo because my threads get all the views, don't join in with them, I have a devastating wit

I'd be interested to know how you reached the jealousy conclusion.