Coyote attack on child in urban NJ gun free utopia

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Coyote prime suspect in attack on boy in N.J.
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Coyote prime suspect in attack on boy in N.J.
By The Associated Press
Article Last Updated: 04/12/2007 03:19:00 AM MDT

Atlantic City, N.J. - Wildlife officials are investigating what could be the first recorded coyote attack on a human in New Jersey following a backyard attack on a toddler that was foiled by an 11-year-old.

Playing in the backyard of his Middletown Township home with his 22-month-old nephew over the weekend, 11-year-old Ryan Palludan first thought the animal that bolted into the yard just before dark was a deer.

But when it grabbed little Liam Sadler in its jaws, Palludan instinctively sprang into action, yelling and kicking at the attacker, which was later determined to be a coyote.

"It ran real fast, and in 10 seconds it was on Liam's back, biting the back of his head and his neck," Palludan said. "My dad and I chased it into the woods, and my sister got Liam inside.

"My dad turned to walk away and it came running back at him. I yelled, 'Dad, it's coming for you!' and he chased it away again. But it didn't go all the way into the woods," Palludan explained.

"It was kind of staying on the edge. It wanted its food."

The toddler's grandfather, Philip Palludan, who is familiar with coyotes, having seen them out West, said the animal that attacked the toddler was about the size of a German shepherd.

Authorities were still looking for the animal Tuesday.

Township administrator Robert Czech said that while officials don't have independent confirmation, the attack on the toddler and the descriptions of a few other possible sightings may mean coyotes are lurking in nearby neighborhoods. The township is about 40 miles southwest of New York City.

Liam, who lives in Crestview, Fla., is undergoing a series of rabies shots as a precaution. He suffered bites on his head and neck but is doing fine, relatives said.

Coyotes that venture into populated areas have been in the news recently in other places.

Last week, one sauntered into a Chicago sandwich restaurant through an open door and plopped down inside a walk-in cooler before animal-control officers removed it.
 
Other than a cheap shot at a place you've never seen, what exactly was the point of characterizing this as an "urban NJ gun free utopia"?

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Middletown Township, NJ
 
DAMN!!!

MBT beat me to it.

Animals look a lot larger when your adrenaline is pumping...
 
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...was about the size of a German shepherd.


Coyotes don't get that large.

Well, actually they do. The SUNY Coyote sheet lists a maximum weight record of 33.9 kg (74.8 lbs.) and mentions Adirondack records of 50-55 lbs. I'm pretty sure I've seen an account of a NY coyote taken recently that was upwards of 65 lbs.

Western coyotes are generally smaller (although that weight record is from WY.) The taxonomy and genetic history of the eastern version is a matter of no small interest these days. Some of us think it will be a bar to any proposed "reintroduction" of the Eastern timber wolf in the Northeast.
 
First the ban on bear hunting.....now they should ban coyote hunting.

It's a shame, NJ is really nice, especially the Northwest corrner....my ex-gf lived there and I really liked the place. The only problem was that there were huge black bears all around and the darn hunt was stopped. When the season was opened for a year someone shot a 700 pounder about 10 miles from her house....
 
Middletown is an urban utopia and probably the best stereotypical example of 'soccer mom society'.

I lived in Monmouth County for 10+ years before finding freedom in Texas!

But Monmouth County also fits that stereotypical image. Over across the Navesink in Shrewsbury, the residents got all up in arms when a land owner hired an archer to snipe some deer. First they didn't believe the animals should be harmed, then they were worried about the children, then they just didn't want their town associated with that kind of "blood sport". The land owners ended up relenting even though they had no legal reason to do so, and good ole Shrewsbury passed an ordinace shortly there after to basically bar any kind of hunting in the township. Reactionary politics at its best.
 
In places where coyotes, bears, or mountain lions are hunted even lightly, they seem to have much better manners. Just because they walk on all fours and don't have cable TV doesn't mean they can't figure out where the 'preditor safe' zones are.
 
Oh yeah, these folks are radical antis. From the Monmouth County Park System DEER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM ANNUAL REPORT 2006-07:

Eleven park areas were hunted a total of 6308 hunter days and 303 deer were reported as
harvested.

Program Administration
The Monmouth County Park System issued a total of 742 2006/2007 hunting access permits
to hunters licensed by New Jersey to deer hunt. Of those 742 hunters, 58% were Monmouth
County residents. Permits were issued in person at three park areas. All permitted hunters
received a copy of the Park System’s Supplemental Rules and Regulations governing deer
hunting (R-06-7-10=277), administrative procedures for deer hunting, and maps of the areas
open for hunting.

Hunting within the Park System is subject to the rules and regulations of both NJ Fish and
Wildlife and the Park System. State rules prohibit hunting within 450 feet of a building or
structure and do not allow hunting on Sunday. Additional rules imposed by the Park System
require that only licensed hunters over the age of 18 be issued permits, that all hunting be
from elevated tree stands, and extend the 450 foot safety zone to include primary and
secondary school property.
. . .
50% were harvested by bow and arrow
11% were harvested by muzzleloader
39% were harvested by shotgun
 
Need to keep a shovel or a nice walking stick with metal caps handy in the back yard. (at least if a gun is not available)
 
Get used to it Eidsvolling. For some reason, a lot of folks here seem to think we have a lock on all the idiot politicians, and then they generalize about the rest of the state. I think it's really a case of national jealousy:neener:
 
Reports I've seen speculate that because of the size the animal could have been a coyote-wolf hybrid, if there are such things.
 
I've seen coyotes in southern New Hampshire that looked as big as a small German shepard .. didn't get to weigh them, of course.
 
I've seen some big yote's out here in the wild west

Other than a cheap shot at a place you've never seen, what exactly was the point of characterizing this as

The point is that I am a native New Yorker and I am genetically inclined toward
picking on a State that stole the Giants and the Jets, NJ drivers had the unmitigated gall to give me the finger while I was riding my bike as a bike messenger in NYC but wouldn't get out of the car and fight.
I've been all over NJ, it really makes NY and CA look like a bastion of conservative common sense.
Get rid of Lautenberg, let me carry my Glock with JHP and rebuild Palisades Amusement Park and I will cease and desist all retribution....maybe.....just tell your friends that if you insult bike riders in NYC that they can and will take you on:)
 
Coyotes in the NE can run larger & consequently taller than those in the
west . . . 50#s is not unheard of. And during times of duress, things always are described as "big" (heck, during my mis-spent youth, anytime I came home with a black eye, it was usually the result of a tussle with someone who was at least 6'5" & 260 pounds . . . ).
 
Well... I'm not a hunter, but once some animal attacks my kid, its anything goes regardless of local, state or federal laws:fire:

... same goes for bullies parents too.....:evil:
 
I've been all over NJ, it really makes NY and CA look like a bastion of conservative common sense.

Gunsmith; I don't think you've been far enough south. By the way, I grew up on Staten Island and then moved across the Outer Bridge to the other side. I heard that the idiot that gave you the finger has moved to Nevada.:p
 
One of my blog Readers who lives in that area had recently emailed me on "what's the best gun for coyote?".

FWIW, what he told me was that first, deer hunting was banned by ordinance in the area, and then because the deer population was getting out of control, they imported the 'yotes.
 
They're all around Milwaukee.

One ran right down the middle of my street at dawn last summer. And I've seen small packs of three or four rummaging around for rodents in the breakwater rocks piled along the coast of Lake Michigan.

I've never heard of any attacks though, just missing pet cats. (I could be wrong of course.)

There's plenty of rabbits, chipmunk, mice, squirrels and birds around here though, not to mention deer and the Canadian geese passing through twice a year, so despite the high population density of SE Wisconsin the hunting for them is probably plenty good.
 
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my guess is that if they did not investigate it's tracks, that it is was not a coyote but a feral dog. That area has a problem with feral dogs.

But, coyote in the 50+ pounds are not unheard of. Heck, even the few foxes in the area are larger then you would realize upwards of 35+ pounds.

It is funny, but I never realized it while living in Ga for 20yrs that the wild animals in NJ are pretty good sized for a NE state. The deer here are decent sized, food is plentiful and climate treats them well. Squirells here are monsters compared to Ga.

Plus the bushy tails here will pull a switch blade on you if you dont hand over your sandwich. :neener: Makes lunch more tactical.
 
hybrid

It could have been a large coy-dog which run larger due to the fact that if a dog is going to breed a coyote female he needs to be big enough to hold his own and not get eaten by her other suitors. :eek:
 
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