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Tommygunn

Almost looks like a prop from the old "MAN FROM U.N.C.L.E." series; they used an M1 carbine dressed up a bit like that for a THRUSH weapon.
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I remember that from when I was a kid! Sort of reminded me of the M3 Carbine with the infra red sniper gear on it!
 
Corpral_Agarn said:
Plainfields go for not too much and, while I can't speak for all of them, mine has been nice.
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+1 on that. Earlier Plainfields are rock solid, mine will tear a ragged hole offhand at 50 yards. Its had one issue that wasn't magazine related since my father bought it in '64. The tab on the safety lever fell off...fixed it for $8.50 about 2 years ago. M1 carbine mags (original GI ones anyway) were cheap and generally meant to be disposable, so some take a little TLC to run right after a few decades of use...not the gun's fault
 
My dad has a carbine that one of his uncles bought from the Army back in ancient times. When he was in his "just what can a Stoner use" stage my late uncle actually made a rifle on the Stoner design for 30 carbine. In his workshop there was one design plan to build a semi automatic pistol for that caliber… But he ran out of time.

A certain unnamed idiot who shall remain my brother has a device that will actually produce bullets for the thirty caliber using pressure. The product is copper clad with an exposed lead tip that he loads for dad's carbine with very good effect. Where he gets the brass I have no idea but he seems to have no problem and I'm told it's no more expensive to reload that my 32-20. Unfortunately, dad uses the weapon as something of a toy. Much like his ancient madhouse on wheels he calls his "goat."
 
AMT also made a hand gun for it back in the 80's IIRC, they are super spendy, and collectors really look for them. I think they are picky like most of those old AMT automatics....but they sure do look cool. I remember really looking hard at them when they came out....shoulda woulda coulda.
 
There was a ring delayed blowback semi auto called the kimball as well but they are quite rare. I recall watching a forgotten weapons video on it.
 
Officers'Wife said:
My dad has a carbine that one of his uncles bought from the Army back in ancient times. When he was in his "just what can a Stoner use" stage my late uncle actually made a rifle on the Stoner design for 30 carbine. In his workshop there was one design plan to build a semi automatic pistol for that caliber… But he ran out of time.

A certain unnamed idiot who shall remain my brother has a device that will actually produce bullets for the thirty caliber using pressure. The product is copper clad with an exposed lead tip that he loads for dad's carbine with very good effect. Where he gets the brass I have no idea but he seems to have no problem and I'm told it's no more expensive to reload that my 32-20. Unfortunately, dad uses the weapon as something of a toy. Much like his ancient madhouse on wheels he calls his "goat."
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Actually bullet swaging which is what I guess that your brother is doing is how some of the big reloading names today got started. One of the ways to get brass for the jacket is to use fired .22 LR cases. I suppose for some of the larger bullets maybe a .22 Mag case might suffice. Looked into the whole bullet swaging issue at one time to ensure bullets during shortages but powder coating/hi-tek is probably the way to go today. It is easier and cheaper to do.
 
Texas10mm said:
I'm getting the itch for something in .30 carbine. Actually two somethings. One would be a Blackhawk in .30 carbine and the other a long gun.

Why? Because I want it. It's something else to reload and cast for and should be fun to shoot.

What's out there in .30 carbine long guns that's functional and not going to break the bank?

I wish Ruger would do a .30 carbine long gun.
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In my opinion the M1 carbine IS the reason to own a fire arm in .30 carbine. "To me" the reverse is not true... the .30 carbine cartridge is not a good reason to own a particular firearm like an M1 carbine.

I love my M1 carbine! But I have never considered the .30 carbine a magnificent cartridge that offers something great that can't be better severed by a different cartridge. I have owned my M1 carbine for 30 years and reloaded the .30 carbine cartridge for pretty much that same 30 years. The M1 carbine is a great little riffle with a gas operated action that is smoother than any blow back pistol caliber carbine that I have ever shot. But if you take away the M1 carbine I don't see much use for the .30 carbine cartridge.... especially in this day and age. The 30 carbine cartridge isn't especially powerful or accurate especially from a revolver. (I did once have the AMT Automag in 30 carbine high on my must have list... but got over it). 30 carbine brass isn't particularly cheap either. I have no problem leaving some 9mm or 45 acp brass at the range because "I am tired of bending over"... but every piece of .30 carbine brass comes home with me.

"I" think you could find a much more interesting cartridge to explore that the 30 carbine... but this is just me, you can spend your money on what ever you want! To me the 22 tcm looks like a really fun cartridge to explore. I think the 6.5 x 55 sweed is one of the best cartridges ever conceived. A .327 magnum rifle / hand gun pair would make much more sense to "ME" than a .30 carbine revolver + Non M1 carbine rifle. A 45 colt revolver plus lever action is currently on my "some day" list... but hasn't made it high enough to fork over the money yet.

Just my thoughts... you should do what interests you... not what interests me!
 
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OK I have to admit there IS a .30 carbine rifle that is not a M1 carbine I do want.....the Marlin Levermatic in that caliber. I have never actually seen one and yeah the mag only holds four shots, but I think it would be cool.

I have handled but not shot the Kimball and the AutoMagII both were interesting but unaffordable when I handled them.

What I have not seen but would like to is the Israeli modified Smith & Wesson K frame revolver in .30 carbine.

Fired a few teeth rattling rounds from a friend's Ruger Blackhawk .30 carbine as well. That would be a nice companion piece to a Levermatic!

Hmm I wonder if one of the modern gunsmiths could make an eight or nine shot .30 carbine based on an N frame Smith that used Moon clips.

And has Taurus gotten around to "The Raging .30 Carbine" yet?

-kBob
 
MikeInOr said:
In my opinion the M1 carbine IS the reason to own a fire arm in .30 carbine. "To me" the reverse is not true... the .30 carbine cartridge is not a good reason to own a particular firearm like an M1 carbine.

I love my M1 carbine! But I have never considered the .30 carbine a magnificent cartridge that offers something great that can't be better severed by a different cartridge. I have owned my M1 carbine for 30 years and reloaded the .30 carbine cartridge for pretty much that same 30 years. The M1 carbine is a great little riffle with a gas operated action that is smoother than any blow back pistol caliber carbine that I have ever shot. But if you take away the M1 carbine I don't see much use for the .30 carbine cartridge.... especially in this day and age. The 30 carbine cartridge isn't especially powerful or accurate especially from a revolver. (I did once have the AMT Automag in 30 carbine high on my must have list... but got over it). 30 carbine brass isn't particularly cheap either. I have no problem leaving some 9mm or 45 acp brass at the range because "I am tired of bending over"... but every piece of .30 carbine brass comes home with me.

"I" think you could find a much more interesting cartridge to explore that the 30 carbine... but this is just me, you can spend your money on what ever you want! To me the 22 tcm looks like a really fun cartridge to explore. I think the 6.5 x 55 sweed is one of the best cartridges ever conceived. A .327 magnum rifle / hand gun pair would make much more sense to "ME" than a .30 carbine revolver + Non M1 carbine rifle. A 45 colt revolver plus lever action is currently on my "some day" list... but hasn't made it high enough to fork over the money yet.

Just my thoughts... you should do what interests you... not what interests me!
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I picked up a Ruger Single Seven last week. So I've got the .327 revolver. I've got my eye on a Henry for a rifle. I just received the brass, dies, and 650 conversion for the .327 today. I've already got 500 bullets cast for it.
 
I always thought it was a shame that the m1 carbine wasn’t chambered in either a small bottleneck round like our modern day 300 blackout, or a rimless 357 magnum.

I was recently reading a fact based novel accounting the story of the marines at the Chosin Resevior in Korea. The book made mention that the company in question abandoned all of their carbines in favor of battlefield pickups because they would not cycle in the cold, and many of the Chinease were found to be wearing flak vest made out of thick woven hemp mats and the 30 carbines would not penetrate them. I know 30 carbine was loaded with H110 powder and I wonder if both the non cycling and poor terminal performance was due to not having a hot enough primer to ensure ignition in the sub zero temps.
 
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About two yrs ago, I bought a Plainfield M1. Shot great, 2-3” at 50yds poa/poi. Using reloads of 110gr FMJ and H110.
However, found out it wasn’t allowed in as-issue Carbine matches with CMP.
Traded it for a 1943 Saginaw S.G. With a like new Underwood barrel, shoots like crap! 10-12” at 100yds. I did manage to medal with it once, but it continues to deteriorate on accuracy. Tried everything but barrel replacement. That’s next! Actually shoots best with powder coated cast bullets and #2400 powder.

It probably hadn’t been shot since arsenal reworked in 40’s or 50’s. Misfed till I got a little burnishing on the feed ramp. Stock has been refinished destroying collector value, so I got a decent deal on it. Just need to get a “round tooit” to rebarrel it.
 
MikeInOr said:
"I" think you could find a much more interesting cartridge to explore that the 30 carbine...
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Actually the 30 carbine is a pretty nice little cartridge. It just needs a new rifle like a Mini 14. The trend these days is to market something new and exciting, otherwise people just won't buy it regardless of what's already available. There really isn't a straight wall cartridge other than 9mm available in a new carbine configuration. The 30 carbine is a flat shooter at 100 yards and has over twice the energy of a 9mm. Probably why designers didn't chamber the M1 for 9mm like the German M43. I guess there's always the 300 BLK but it's purpose in life is subsonic. Note the 1/7 twist barrels.
 
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someguy2800 said:
I always thought it was a shame that the m1 carbine wasn’t chambered in either a small bottleneck round like our modern day 300 blackout, or a rimless 357 magnum.

I was recently reading a fact based novel accounting the story of the marines at the Chosin Resevior in Korea. The book made mention that the company in question abandoned all of their carbines in favor of battlefield pickups because they would not cycle in the cold, and many of the Chinease were found to be wearing flak vest made out of thick woven hemp mats and the 30 carbines would not penetrate them. I know 30 carbine was loaded with H110 powder and I wonder if both the non cycling and poor terminal performance was due to not having a hot enough primer to ensure ignition in the sub zero temps.
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While the carbine was problematic in frozen weather (as were several other rifles) it actually had no problem penetrating enemy winter clothing. IIRC an infantry cmdr took his men out to a battle site after his men complained about it and found that the enemy corpses had through and through wounds , so the bullet penetrated both going in and on the way out.
Poor marksmanship was pretty common when that war started . The carbine lacked the range of the Garand, but that puny round always had more penetrating power than it ever really deserved.
 
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MikeInOr said:
my opinion the M1 carbine IS the reason to own a fire arm in .30 carbine. "To me" the reverse is not true... the .30 carbine cartridge is not a good reason to own a particular firearm like an M1 carbine.
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Well said, sir.

kBob said:
And has Taurus gotten around to "The Raging .30 Carbine" yet?

-kBob
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Yes, as a matter of fact-
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The CT-30 was made for the Brazilian military and police for use against urban gangs where the .223 had too much penetration and the 9mm not enough.....it was kinda a love child of a G3 and a FAL, but was not a great success from all accounts.
 
GooseGestapo said:
About two yrs ago, I bought a Plainfield M1. Shot great, 2-3” at 50yds poa/poi. Using reloads of 110gr FMJ and H110.
However, found out it wasn’t allowed in as-issue Carbine matches with CMP.
Traded it for a 1943 Saginaw S.G. With a like new Underwood barrel, shoots like crap! 10-12” at 100yds. I did manage to medal with it once, but it continues to deteriorate on accuracy. Tried everything but barrel replacement. That’s next! Actually shoots best with powder coated cast bullets and #2400 powder.

It probably hadn’t been shot since arsenal reworked in 40’s or 50’s. Misfed till I got a little burnishing on the feed ramp. Stock has been refinished destroying collector value, so I got a decent deal on it. Just need to get a “round tooit” to rebarrel it.
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I had a 44 Inland import like that, about 10 MOA. Barrel was gone however as it showed a 3 on my ME gauge. I was faced with a new barrel so I sold it and bought another Inland. The one I have now is an excellent shooter with a Winchester barrel. 3 MOA and I'm happy with that. I think they were regulated for 4 MOA. I read someplace that IBM and Winchester built the best barrels.
 
somethingbenign said:
Now all I can think about is how cool a M1 carbine chambered in 327 would be. Thanks for yet another pipe dream.
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I think the 327 is just a rimmed 30 carbine. If you're going to design another cartridge I would seriously consider a rimless 357 Maximum. Hornady could market it as a new cartridge and Ruger could chamber it in their AR-556. Deer hunters in states where straight wall is legal for deer would run out and buy it by the truck load.
 
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CoalTrain49 said:
I think the 327 is just a rimmed 30 carbine. If you're going to design another cartridge I would seriously consider a rimless 357 Maximum. Hornady could market it as a new cartridge and Ruger could chamber it in their AR-556. Deer hunters in states where straight wall is legal for deer would run out and buy it by the truck load.
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Rimless 357 max is already being made for AR’s. It uses straight wall 223 brass which you can buy from starline
 
Texas10mm said:
I picked up a Ruger Single Seven last week. So I've got the .327 revolver. I've got my eye on a Henry for a rifle. I just received the brass, dies, and 650 conversion for the .327 today. I've already got 500 bullets cast for it.
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Are you going .327 instead of .30 carbine.... or .327 and still thinking of getting 30 carbine?
 
When it comes to different rounds for the M1 I have toyed with a couple of ideas.

In commercially available products I looked at the 357Sig. It has interesting possibilities.

In wildcats, the 357ar max looked very interesting. This would be an unnecked 223 case,cut to carbine length. It should easily match the 357 Rem Max commercial round.

Just Dreaming
Ironhand
 
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