Modern .30 Carbine?

[cluttonfred]

As I have mentioned before, I love my M1 Carbine and it's the gun I would own if I could have only one. But the odd thing about .30 Carbine as a cartridge is that is has been mostly used in variations, military and civilian, of just one basic design.

So here's my question...let's say we want to start a .30 Carbine revival. What gun, whether an adaptation of a current design or a completely new design, would you like to see in .30 Carbine?

PS--If you don't like .30 Carbine or the M1 Carbine, that's fine, but please save it for another thread.

 

[alistaire]

A supply of correctly made parts. I'm on my 3rd extractor in 200 rounds, as they are softer than brass.

 

[Sam1911]

J-frame Smith & Wesson cut for moon-clips.

Only about 0.10" longer than a .357...

Wonder if you could get 6 in there?

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It would also be a real hoot in a modern sub gun like an MP5.

-Sam

 

[GRIZ22]

A supply of correctly made parts. I'm on my 3rd extractor in 200 rounds, as they are softer than brass

Are you sure you're getting GI parts and not a knock off? Might there be something else wrong with yours? I've fired thousands of rounds through carbines and while I'm sure it has happened, never broke an extractor.

 

[HoosierQ]

Gosh...why not an AR? Maybe there is one. Seems like a natural for this though thread. SKS and AK as well.

 

[DMK]

But the odd thing about .30 Carbine as a cartridge is that is has been mostly used in variations, military and civilian, of just one basic design.

That is odd come to think of it. Ruger chambered the Blackhawk revolver in 30 Carbine, but I can't think of even one other rifle that was chambered for the cartridge (other than M1 Carbine clones).

It's not like the M1 carbine was unpopular. It was certainly popular enough to make the non-military clones of it.

What I find interesting is the ammo seems to be always 110gr FMJ or SP. Why not something like a 125g or 158gr HP like 357 magnum or even a soft point in those weights?

 

[cluttonfred]

I'll answer my own post here...I'd like to see a lightweight, inexpensive semi-auto carbine, polymer and blackened stainless steel, but using standard GI magazines, perhaps in a bullpup layout. A bullpup CX-4 is the look I have in mind...a great general purpose and home defense carbine.

 

[steven04]

i've got an AR In .30 carbine. It features a lever action too which is rather strange but given that i live in the uk then maybe not. I'll post pics later.

 

[Sam1911]

What I find interesting is the ammo seems to be always 110gr FMJ or SP. Why not something like a 125g or 158gr HP like 357 magnum or even a soft point in those weights?

I have a .30 Carb Blackhawk and do load Sierra 125 gr. FP Hollow Points for it. Pretty sweet combination. Also load 100 or 110 gr. half-jacketed soft nose slugs, too.

I'd really like to try a heavy cast bullet but haven't gotten around to it.

-Sam

 

[GunTech]

30 cabine variations:

IMI Magal

ACS HEZI SM-1

 

[Gordon]

Tod you don't own one of those kewl beasts?

 

[jimmyraythomason]

Don't forget the AMT Automag 111

Don't forget the Automag.

 

[GunTech]

Nope. I don't really have an interest in 30 carbine, though I've owned a few GI versions - back when ammo was cheap.

It looks like Henzi is out of business, but the idea for a carbine based bullpup looks pretty doable.

 

[ThomasT]

Marlin made a lever action in 30 carbine, the model 62.

I wish that Ruger would chamber the mini-14 in 30 carbine and set it up to take the original magazines.

 

[cluttonfred]

Unfortunately the HEZI seems to have been vaporware and the Magals had such constant overheating problems that they were withdrawn from service.

 

[Dr.Carbine]

More .30 Carbine options needed!

I'd like to see many more rifle and pistol designs using this cartridge, as well. Remember the Marlin 62 lever action? Too cool! I'd like that lever action to used the standard GI magazines instead of the proprietary ones from Marlin. How about a bolt action, box-magazine fed similar to the CZ527? How about a 100 grain hollowpoint cartridge and a 125 grain soft point? Could be awesome and versatile.

 

[cat9x]

not new, but the lever action Marlin model 62 was chambered in 30 carbine

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=140044432

 

[jerkface11]

Olympic used to make a .30 carbine AR.

 

[Steve Marshall]

In addition there was a pistol manufactured by Kimball and Universal had what they called "The Enforcer" which was classified as a pistol.

 

[The Deer Hunter]

My question is why don't they make the M1 Carbine in .357 Magnum? .30 Carbine isn't optimal for much anything bigger than people and deer and isn't very common.

I'll answer my own post here...I'd like to see a lightweight, inexpensive semi-auto carbine, polymer and blackened stainless steel, but using standard GI magazines, perhaps in a bullpup layout. A bullpup CX-4 is the look I have in mind...a great general purpose and home defense carbine.

I would certainly not "shoot".

 

[natman]

J-frame Smith & Wesson cut for moon-clips.

Only about 0.10" longer than a .357...

Wonder if you could get 6 in there?

Be careful what you wish for. Ruger made a single action revolver in 30 carbine. The blast and flash when rifle ammo was fired in the 6" barrel was something to behold. With a J frame snubnose the target would be in serious danger of catching fire. You probably could fit 6, since the cartridge is smaller in diameter than a 32 caliber.

 

[alistaire]

At least if you shot someone with a 30 carbine J-frame and they run away, you can tell the police that he will be easy to find - he's deaf and on fire.

 

[Jim Watson]

S&W prototyped a .30 carbine revolver (N frame) to give paratroopers a sidearm firing the same ammo as their M1A1. Reportedly the blast was so bad that even a tough paratrooper wanted no part of it.

 

[alistaire]

A supply of correctly made parts. I'm on my 3rd extractor in 200 rounds, as they are softer than brass

Are you sure you're getting GI parts and not a knock off? Might there be something else wrong with yours? I've fired thousands of rounds through carbines and while I'm sure it has happened, never broke an extractor.

I'm sure I'm getting knock-off parts. That's the problem. The gun shows are full of bad parts. The piece in question is an 80s vintage Ivor Johnson.

 

[Sam1911]

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